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I love the 1980s! The ultimate unopened rip quest to build Topps, Fleer, Donruss PSA 10 sets...

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  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NJ80sBBC said:
    Back to where it all started for me Chris. Good luck with the rip!

    I have an extra 6 box rack case that had the top pop in delivery that is due for opening.

    Yeah, with the seal pop on your case, those stars and rookies on the tops of packs are screaming to be found 😉 Best of luck if you break it. Please share the results with us!

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jordangretzkyfan said:
    The day got away from me a bit. Thanks for the wishes on a centered Bonds RC, Joe...wasn’t meant to be this round. Here are the growing piles of non Gem Mint cards...

    Do I see a print imperfection in the "P" in Pete on the regular Rose card?

    The Tettleton really pops!

    Two "Leaders" cards is a great find. I had lots of trouble with them. Horrible centering and print defects!

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  • tulsaboytulsaboy Posts: 285 ✭✭✭

    Does the Astros Leaders card have a touch in the top left corner, or is that just the light? I love the fact that it features Yogi Berra on it. Is that Yogi's last Topps card?
    kevin

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:

    Do I see a print imperfection in the "P" in Pete on the regular Rose card?

    Good eye. I missed that. Will likely set it aside and see if I can find a replacement that is dead perfect. Thanks!

    @tulsaboy said:
    Does the Astros Leaders card have a touch in the top left corner, or is that just the light? I love the fact that it features Yogi Berra on it. Is that Yogi's last Topps card?
    kevin

    Yeah, great final shot of Yogi on a Topps card. I went back and forth on that top left corner. It has the tiniest lift on the corner that looks a different color when the light hits it. It comes to a sharp point, but the card likely lands in a MINT 9 as I look at it more. Will toss that fish back in the pond. Thanks Kevin!

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jordangretzkyfan said:

    @JoeBanzai said:

    Do I see a print imperfection in the "P" in Pete on the regular Rose card?

    Good eye. I missed that. Will likely set it aside and see if I can find a replacement that is dead perfect. Thanks!

    If my "eye" is better than before, it's your fault! ;-)

    Thank YOU!

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  • thehallmarkthehallmark Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭

    How was the collation of that vending box? Any/lots of dupes?

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @thehallmark said:
    How was the collation of that vending box? Any/lots of dupes?

    Vending is typically about 400-425 unique cards and a second run of 75-100 cards in the majority of boxes I have ripped.

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let’s try a 1988 Topps cello next...

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great! I was trying to pick up a case of wax boxes recently, but seller doesn't return messages.

    :-(

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  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 30, 2020 6:23PM

    Not the most productive rip, but always a fun one. Here are the stars and rookies that miss the mark. I do love the look of the McGwire rookie cup from this set!

    Only found these two candidates for PSA 10 out of the entire box. This entire box was either OC or tilt cut. Really cannot stand the look of tilt cut cards...

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe I should be happy the guy doesn't return messages!

    Those are two BEAUTIES!!

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  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let’s see what perfection we can find in this 1989 Topps vending box...

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I always had a soft spot for the Jim Abbott in this set. Such an underrated card from an underrated player who was one of the most inspirational of his generation. Here are the piles that missed the mark...

    Pulled these key rookies, but neither make the grade...

    Here was the only contender for PSA 10 out of the 500 untouched cards...yikes!

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Going back for another round of 1987 Topps...

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This project is a constant reminder how tough it is to find perfect examples of 1980’s cards even straight from unopened material. I have said it before, but I straight up love the 1987 Topps set. One of my favorites of all time. Here are the stars and rookies that missed the mark...

    Pulled these key rookies...

    And once again, there was only 1 candidate for PSA 10 out of 500 case fresh and untouched cards...

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OMG that Davis card is beautiful!

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  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:
    OMG that Davis card is beautiful!

    Thanks. It certainly appears to be the true definition of a perfect example and what this hunt of mine is all about!

  • bensiebensie Posts: 59 ✭✭

    You had been on a nice tear there for a bit, but 0.2% in the last couple boxes? Yikes!

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2, 2020 5:31AM

    @bensie said:
    You had been on a nice tear there for a bit, but 0.2% in the last couple boxes? Yikes!

    I agree........to a point. I used to be in the "there's a lot of unopened out there, so there's a LOT of 10's waiting to be discovered" camp.

    I have closely looked at 15-20,000 cards in the last 6 months or so with more and more doubt that there are going to be a LOT more 10's discovered. Especially cards that have been shown to be on the edge or corner of the sheet.

    If you are looking for a perfect card, .02% could actually be high. 10's can be a little off center and often are. Some also have microscopic print dots as well.

    I went through 8 vending boxes, 3 wax boxes and 1 sealed rack case of 1987 Topps cards and have less than 100 to send in to PSA. Several of them are not as well centered as I would like but could get 10's. Other than "star" cards, I am sending in only a single card for grading. I have 5-10 duplicates that might get 10's that I am keeping for now. With the bulk grading fee raise, I need to keep the cost down as I have other cards going in too.

    BTW not a single Bonds was centered 50/50 side to side.

    JGF has told me his rate at getting 10's is around 75%. That's pretty astonishing considering pretty much every card he posts as a potential 10 looks like an 11 to me. I would have thought that his rate would be closer to 90%.

    Just using my recent experiences, (nothing compared to JGF!) I would say that if you opened any amount of 1987 wax and sent every card in for grading, your 10 rate would be around .01%. Keeping in mind that miscuts, wax and gum stained cards would be included in the total.

    After 33 years there are still 2 cards from the 1987 Topps set to have never gotten a 10. In the 7500 (or so) I went through I won't be submitting either card.

    Sure, there will be a lot of 10's out there, just not of the guy you want! ;-)

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Stuck on this 1987 Topps kick for at least one more box...

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll take any Rick Leach you think just misses a 10! ;-)

    I'll send you a slightly O/C Barry Bonds in return LOL.

    Or player of your choice. I didn't see any of the Bonds cards you pulled that missed the mark?

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  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:
    I'll take any Rick Leach you think just misses a 10! ;-)

    I'll send you a slightly O/C Barry Bonds in return LOL.

    Or player of your choice. I didn't see any of the Bonds cards you pulled that missed the mark?

    Haha...every single Bonds I have pulled during this 87T rip fest has missed the mark. That card is notoriously OC!

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are the results of this vending box. All those missing the mark...

    Pulled two Bonds RC, but everyone I pull is OC just like these two. Really tough card on a percentage basis!

    Here were the only 2 contenders for PSA 10 this round. Just the wrong Pirate...

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My Bonds' were all pretty good top to bottom. L/R was off for me.

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  • bensiebensie Posts: 59 ✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:
    I would say that if you opened any amount of 1987 wax and sent every card in for grading, your 10 rate would be around .01%. Keeping in mind that miscuts, wax and gum stained cards would be included in the total.


    0.01%? Did you put the decimal in the right spot? 0.01% would mean roughly one gem every wax CASE.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bensie said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    I would say that if you opened any amount of 1987 wax and sent every card in for grading, your 10 rate would be around .01%. Keeping in mind that miscuts, wax and gum stained cards would be included in the total.


    0.01%? Did you put the decimal in the right spot? 0.01% would mean roughly one gem every wax CASE.

    .1% was what I meant. Sorry about that.

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:

    @bensie said:

    @JoeBanzai said:
    I would say that if you opened any amount of 1987 wax and sent every card in for grading, your 10 rate would be around .01%. Keeping in mind that miscuts, wax and gum stained cards would be included in the total.


    0.01%? Did you put the decimal in the right spot? 0.01% would mean roughly one gem every wax CASE.

    .1% was what I meant. Sorry about that.

    I would like to hear your opinion after you ripped a few wax boxes. I ripped three of the four I recently purchased and stopped. The cards were pretty much garbage.

    Racks are a different story (1987 anyway), the cards were much nicer than wax or vending. Centering was not really any better, but you could just tell the difference. Vending were really "bowed" and had corner and edge problems.

    I did have a sealed rack case.

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  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:

    I would like to hear your opinion after you ripped a few wax boxes. I ripped three of the four I recently purchased and stopped. The cards were pretty much garbage.

    Racks are a different story (1987 anyway), the cards were much nicer than wax or vending. Centering was not really any better, but you could just tell the difference. Vending were really "bowed" and had corner and edge problems.

    I did have a sealed rack case.

    My experience is that the cleanest 1980’s cards are found in rack, followed by cello, with vending and wax a total crap shoot.

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let’s get this 4th of July weekend started with a bang. Nothing more ‘Murica than the NFL. In the mood to rip a 1982 Topps football vending box...

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really like the design of the 1982 Topps football set. Add the great RC crop and a 2nd year Montana and you have the makings of an iconic set. Here are all the stars and rookies that missed the mark...

    I pulled all of the key cards, but none made the grade due to typical centering issues...

    Here are the 6.5 candidates for PSA 10 that were in the box. The Payton has a fisheye on the left blue border, so it will only be a MINT 9. I will sub it anyway, since it is Walter freakin’ Payton after all...

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Finally see you submitting a less than "perfect" card. Good!

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  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Time for a 1989 Topps vending box...

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not the greatest condition-wise, but always a fun rip. Not a single contender for PSA 10. Here are the stars and rookies that continue to pile up...

    Pulled these key RCs, but neither makes the grade...

    I decided to rip another 1987 Topps vending box after the 1989...

    The ones that missed the mark...

    Yet another OC Bonds rookie...

    But like the star power of the only 2 candidates for PSA 10...

    Hope everyone is having a fun 4th of July!

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Feel like taking a departure from ripping 80s and hunting for Shaq this morning...

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 5, 2020 8:23AM

    That is about as good as a 1992/93 Fleer Ultra II box gets. The two key insert sets are the “All-Rookie” and “Rejectors,” since both feature additional Shaq RCs. There is a third subset called Playmakers, but those don’t have as much firepower. The inserts are 1:9 odds with the Rejectors being the hardest to pull, since the set size is only 5 cards. You get 2-3 of each base card in a box. Here are the stars and rookies in this box...

    Here were the hits. Really happy to land 2 Shaq Rejectors in one box. Also loving the Mourning All-Rookie card. The two Shaq on the far left have a good shot at PSA 10 along with the Mourning insert...

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't collect basketball, but that was a great box!

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  • tkerstingtkersting Posts: 136 ✭✭✭

    Nice Shaq’s 👍

  • lwehlerslwehlers Posts: 923 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jordangretzkyfan said:
    That is about as good as a 1992/93 Fleer Ultra II box gets. The two key insert sets are the “All-Rookie” and “Rejectors,” since both feature additional Shaq RCs. There is a third subset called Playmakers, but those don’t have as much firepower. The inserts are 1:9 odds with the Rejectors being the hardest to pull, since the set size is only 5 cards. You get 2-3 of each base card in a box. Here are the stars and rookies in this box...

    Here were the hits. Really happy to land 2 Shaq Rejectors in one box. Also loving the Mourning All-Rookie card. The two Shaq on the far left have a good shot at PSA 10 along with the Mourning insert...

    how do you judge the centering on the shaq rookies. I do not collect basketball. are the shaq rookies worth grading.

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lwehlers said:

    how do you judge the centering on the shaq rookies. I do not collect basketball. are the shaq rookies worth grading.

    The space between the top of the Ultra logo and the dark blue team banner on the bottom should be the same. The right border should have the same amount of space as the top/bottom borders, measured from the edge of the white banner to the edge of the card. There is no good way to measure a left border, so I simply assess from top, right and bottom borders. Or even easier, look at PSA 10s and measure from the ball leaving Shaq’s hand and the players arm on the left.

    Ultra PSA 10 have been fetching just north of $100, so I would grade your strong ones if you have them.

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Feeling like it is a Maddux kind of morning...

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Turns out it was more of a Matt Williams XRC morning. Here are the ones that didn’t make the grade...

    The two nice Maddux XRCs, but neither is worthy of a 10...

    Here were the only 2 candidates for PSA 10 out of the two case fresh sets. I am happy one of them is a key rookie in the set...

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I continue to think the 1988 Fleer Update set is underrated. You have the only XRC of HOFer John Smoltz and the only Biggio XRC aside from the 1988 Score Traded set. Add in Roberto Alomar and Mark Grace...this set is loaded with key cards from the 80s.

  • jordangretzkyfanjordangretzkyfan Posts: 2,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These two sets were completely OC. Not a single contender for PSA 10, but here are the key cards...

  • Cory1976Cory1976 Posts: 158 ✭✭✭

    That is a great story. I'm happy to hear your friend and you could relive your childhood through cards.

  • tkerstingtkersting Posts: 136 ✭✭✭

    Great story. This is what it’s all about for me, reliving childhood memories.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,887 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fantastic!

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  • NJ80sBBCNJ80sBBC Posts: 744 ✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for sharing such a great story Chris. Completely agree with you on the value that the cards bring to me. I am blessed that I have friends who collect and we text almost daily about cards. And whenever we get together I always break out a bunch of stuff to rip. We share stories of those golden collecting years in late 80s/early90s. So much fun.

    And that memory of your grandfather and you sharing some special time over 88D is priceless.

    John

    Conundrum - Loving my unopened baseball card collection....but really like ripping too
  • erbaerba Posts: 306 ✭✭✭✭

    Looking forward to these results

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