This 1924 Peace $ graded lower than I thought it would. Opinions welcome please.
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MS63..... Quite a few hits on both obverse and reverse....Cheers, RickO
I am in the 64 camp
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Chatter and hits bottom of the bust and near date with the SW/NE scratches on her hair/ear area. USA and EPU and dollar aren't struck very well. My guess before viewing pic is 62 but you figured at least a 64?
Hmm. Nice coin. Guess I'm getting better at this.
What did you think it was gonna catch & why?
I guessed ms 62......almost went au58 based on her hair......full disclosure.....I own one peace dollar
The red dot on obverse is the bigger hit and I underlined the weak or rubbed spots on reverse. The image pen at its finest was still too big so the hair is a larger representation. There's 3 heavy die scratches in the field on the obverse. Normally it wouldn't be too much of a bother but it looks like it adds to the busy-ness of the scratches. I hate to call them that since it's so light but add the bust hits there's your 62. There's two hits on letters. The I in LIBERTY, maybe on the back with (TATES OF) but idk if it's wear or what's affecting that area. 64 without those maybe 65, but when it comes to 66 and 67 it gets too tough for me across all coins. 3 hits on two bell lines and cheek chatter cost me 700 dollars on a nice Franklin.
Parallel scratches across the portrait are the kiss of death when it comes to the technical grade. Luster looks a bit flat too. The coin otherwise has plenty of character (eye appeal) and it would be very attractive in an album.
I was thinking 63, shot at 64. It does have nice luster you can't see in the photos. Not booming, but nice. The pics here are large and hi def so I can see more flaws than I did originally. The hair is a bit weakly struck but the aesthetics of the coin is nice.
58 maybe 60 on a good day. Personally I would have gave it a dip before putting in a slab.
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I would say the speckling held it back. But still a nice coin. Perhaps a round 2 might be in order down the road.
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Looks like a 63 from my little screen, I like it.
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Lot of chatter. Kinda mottled toning.
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While the coin has a nice look, the scratch across the cheek into the hair is a huge issue and IMO would not be acceptable on a 63 graded coin. That scratch along with some light marks are right in the focal area. I see no rub on this coin so a true unc, just has a little too much going on to make 3.
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MS-63's can have detracting marks. If this were a "white" coin it would probably grade lower but IMO the overall attractiveness has canceled out the distracting marks and it has been graded at least an MS-63. I see no "rub" in the image so an AU grade is not even a consideration.
Remember, you have less than SIX SECONDS to grade this coin and none of this hi-power magnification is available to you. At first glance nice 65 then you turn it and hopefully see the bright marks on the head! Oops, I may have talked myself into a grade of 64.
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The near terminal reverse toning most likely held it back from a better technical grade.
Woah, wait a second, please stop sir. Do I understand this right??? A TPG is allotted 6 seconds to professionally grade a coin? And without high power magnification? If this is the case how on earth does anything get graded accurately????
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I was thinking a '4' until I saw the magnified face shot.....Those would be distracting.
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Take this test Blitz. While you are sitting in front of the computer, hold a pretend coin about 6 - 7 inches in front of your face. Now count. one one thousand, two one thousand, etc. Six seconds is a lot of time. Say it is a more difficult coin and you pick up your glass adding a few more seconds to the actual examination. I'm nearsighted so that helps too. Most of the folks I know have a coin graded within a point as it just slides out of the flip. The short examination just confirms their initial opinion.
The entire operation, take the coin out of the box, remove it from its flip, examine it, replace it in the flip, replace it in the box, type in the grade probably takes an average of twenty seconds. Most of that time is not grading the coin.
The Professional graders I know have probably seen more coins already than most members here will ever see in their entire life. They are fast, experienced and good. Put one or two of them on a coin which is then seen by a finalizer and the coin will have a correct "commercial grade" most of the time. Some modern coins only have the label QC'ed. Vintage coins are QC'ed more thoroughly for the grade.
A 62, tops.
I simply do not understand why this coin would EVER be submitted. Unless it's at least a 65, what is the point? The slab costs as much as the coin.
I completely understand (and respect) the abilities of professional graders and I concede that no matter how much effort I ever put into it I would NEVER come anywhere close to matching any one of their skill levels.
That said it is insane to think that anyone on this planet could accurately grade a coin within 6 seconds. Geez, 99.9999% of the planet couldn't even determine if it were a fake let alone accurately grade a coin in 6 seconds.
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And hopefully CAC spends at least 10 seconds checking the 6 second TPG grade. Just WOW! I figured they'd at least spend a minute with it. lol
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It is very pretty despite the grade. I love it. Dip it and resubmit it that toning doesn't fill in better.
And after it comes back 63 instead of 62 it's still a $50 coin with $60 worth of grading fees "invested" in it. Maybe if we submit it a 3rd time, we'll get a 64 and then it's a $90 coin with $100+ worth of grading fees.
I had other coins being submitted and added this one to the order with those.
It would not have been worth sending in on it's own. Plus it was free tru-view quarterly special.
photo= 61-62
True, but at what point are they considered "too distracting"? I feel like a mark of that length would be visible in hand without magnification with a twirl in the light, it's not a hairline by any means. Unfortunately it isn't hidden in the hair, tiara, or the eagle's feathers and is brighter than the surrounding surface.
Not talking down on the coin, it is attractive overall.
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