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This was in a NGC Cameo, why do you think PCGS didn't give it?

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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    ...shudda been, wowzers!

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,814 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have always had a hard time figuring out what the two grading services call "cameo." I see coins that have obvious cameo constrast, and they don't get it. Yet I have one in my collection with designation that I don't think deserves it. :*

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just someone's opinion on a given day.

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am not a fan of the image but welcome to the head-scratching grades lately.

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ask them to reconsider

    Frank

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2018 2:55PM

    You probably sent it in "raw" correct? IMO, it is possible that on these early Proofs where it seems that a majority have a little contrast, a grader may tend to overlook that designation or decide the coin is not up to their standard.

    You paid for an opinion and none of us have the coin in hand to see which of the top services we might agree with.

    PS I should think that PCGS customer service can put you in touch with a grader who can contact you about your coin when you return it for a review. If that is not the case, I plead ignorance on the workings of that company.

  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,723 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any chance they are concerned about wear on the boobages?

  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanLord said:
    Any chance they are concerned about wear on the boobages?

    Checking out coin fact most all of the cameo have them boobage's have that light look

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  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://www.ebay.com/str/christyscoins
  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,384 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can't even guess from that photo.

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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While probably true for ANY grading question....I think grading cameo from pictures is especially difficult. It's too easy to hide or fake using lighting and processing tricks.....(even if accidental).

    Easily distracted Type Collector
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I should think that any actual wear on the design would knock down the grade and not affect the "cameo."

    Please educate me on this: If a coin is a cameo with a little "shine" on the high points is it still a cameo?

    This is a sincere question as last year I argued that a DEEP CAMEO Eisenhower Proof should always have the DMPL designation - even with dark toning. Since then I have had my opinion changed as the "cameo" designation indicates a "black & white" contrast. A deeply toned beautiful DMPL Ike has no contrast unless the toning is removed. That is why the toned coin does not "deserve" to be called a cameo. It's complicated. :)

  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TommyType said:
    While probably true for ANY grading question....I think grading cameo from pictures is especially difficult. It's too easy to hide or fake using lighting and processing tricks.....(even if accidental).

    Both pics are true views

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  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Smittys said:

    @TommyType said:
    While probably true for ANY grading question....I think grading cameo from pictures is especially difficult. It's too easy to hide or fake using lighting and processing tricks.....(even if accidental).

    Both pics are true views

    That's why I added the "(even if accidental)" disclaimer. I don't think they would INTENTIONALLY enhance the photo, but the TrueViews are glamour shots, and as such, are prone to hiding flaws just like any other photo.

    I'm more familiar with modern proofs than classic proofs....but I know in that realm that all it takes is an area with "too much mirror, not enough frost" to miss out on the cameo designation. I think you really need the coin in hand to see that....

    Easily distracted Type Collector
  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,734 ✭✭✭✭✭

    looks like a nice CAM to me..
    Add it to the list

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :/

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    I should think that any actual wear on the design would knock down the grade and not affect the "cameo."

    Please educate me on this: If a coin is a cameo with a little "shine" on the high points is it still a cameo?

    This is a sincere question as last year I argued that a DEEP CAMEO Eisenhower Proof should always have the DMPL designation - even with dark toning. Since then I have had my opinion changed as the "cameo" designation indicates a "black & white" contrast. A deeply toned beautiful DMPL Ike has no contrast unless the toning is removed. That is why the toned coin does not "deserve" to be called a cameo. It's complicated. :)

    I would love to see a DMPL with cameo. Do you have any for sale?

  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    You probably sent it in "raw" correct? IMO, it is possible that on these early Proofs where it seems that a majority have a little contrast, a grader may tend to overlook that designation or decide the coin is not up to their standard.

    You paid for an opinion and none of us have the coin in hand to see which of the top services we might agree with.

    PS I should think that PCGS customer service can put you in touch with a grader who can contact you about your coin when you return it for a review. If that is not the case, I plead ignorance on the workings of that company.

    I'd pay an extra fee for grading notes on certain coins of mine.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've never heard of any company letting graders opine on individual submissions, except for ICG which is a very generous and educational thing to do.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @logger7 said:
    I've never heard of any company letting graders opine on individual submissions, except for ICG which is a very generous and educational thing to do.

    Interestingly, I did get a note (sort of) with my last order. I submitted a toned NGC coin as a crossover. The website simply gave the typical DNC language. In hand, they sent a PCGS label with DNC - questionable color. I thought that was very helpful and nice. It was greatly appreciated.

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Here is a Liberty Loan token made from cannon metal. These things can be found in a dealer's junk box.

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    trying to judge this coin from the picture is like looking at Heritage images.

  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The picture you are showing makes it very difficult to distinguish any cameo contrast on the coin.

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @LanLord said:
    Any chance they are concerned about wear on the boobages?

    Boobages, in general, only make cameo appearances.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on the pictures, one would believe it to be cameo.... in hand judgement is required for conclusive determination. Sure looks nice... Cheers, RickO

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 16, 2018 8:14AM

    It's a nice coin but I am not seeing strong cameo contrast based on your images.

    And YES, the TPGS are finicky on any given day. Remember, it's just an opinion.

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,606 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Perhaps their morning coffee did not kick in yet...

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,615 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry. Just not enough frost on the devices. Plenty on the balls.

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