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CLCT stock $15.51, is at a 52 week low

KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 8, 2018 8:02AM in U.S. Coin Forum

What's going on?

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    MACGE1MACGE1 Posts: 269 ✭✭✭

    Down 40% today, I was wondering the same.

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Q2 earnings released. I'll listen to the call shortly.

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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) _ Collectors Universe Inc. (CLCT) on Wednesday reported fiscal second-quarter earnings of $159,000.

    On a per-share basis, the Santa Ana, California-based company said it had profit of 2 cents.

    The provider of authentication for collectibles posted revenue of $14.1 million in the period.

    Collectors Universe shares have decreased slightly more than 7 percent since the beginning of the year. In the final minutes of trading on Wednesday, shares hit $26.54, a rise of 14 percent in the last 12 month.

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    cardinalcardinal Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2018 8:11AM

    To expand the operations and maintain sufficient cash flow, the quarterly dividend was cut in half.

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    spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,536 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reduced earnings and cut their dividend in half. That'll cause a valuation reduction for sure.


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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,004 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Without the big dividend ... look out below.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2018 8:24AM

    Easy $$ I bought 1.2K shs B)

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    spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,536 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @KollectorKing said:
    Easy $$ I bought 1.2K shs B)

    You are assuming price will bounce up again after the 50% reduction in dividend plus slow down in revenue. I don't think there is any easy $$ here..............

    Best, SH


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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2018 8:41AM

    @spacehayduke said:

    @KollectorKing said:
    Easy $$ I bought 1.2K shs B)

    You are assuming price will bounce up again after the 50% reduction in dividend plus slow down in revenue. I don't think there is any easy $$ here..............

    Best, SH

    The drop was too huge to ignore. I bought below 17 & anything above that is easy money, $17.95.

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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $18+

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2018 8:54AM

    Shares of Collectors Universe (CLCT -32.9%) bottom out after FQ2 results fall short of expectations.

    Revenue for the period fell 21% Y/Y to $14.1M as coin service revenuue plummeted.

    CEO update: "Despite another record performance from our PSA and PSA/DNA division, the decrease in coin submissions in China, weakness in the vintage coin market and a substantial decline in modern coin sales at the U.S. Mint combined to adversely impact our overall results."

    Source

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    spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,536 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @KollectorKing said:

    @spacehayduke said:

    @KollectorKing said:
    Easy $$ I bought 1.2K shs B)

    You are assuming price will bounce up again after the 50% reduction in dividend plus slow down in revenue. I don't think there is any easy $$ here..............

    Best, SH

    The drop was too huge to ignore. I bought below 17 & anything above that is easy money, $17.95.

    You only insure making money if you sell now. If you wait too long it may flip the other way and seek a deeper bottom..... This kind of trading for a stock with obvious issues (lower revenue/profit, drastic reduction in dividend), you will need to stay on top of and try to time it. IMO the short upswing this morning is all of the folks trying to get in and quick flip, pushing it higher temporarily. So you will have to watch carefully to insure easy money. Lots of risk here.

    Best, SH


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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,023 ✭✭✭✭✭

    CEO update: "Despite another record performance from our PSA and PSA/DNA division, the decrease in coin submissions in China, weakness in the vintage coin market and a substantial decline in modern coin sales at the U.S. Mint combined to adversely impact our overall results."

    The decline in submissions in China is surprising to me. What's the rest of that story?

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @spacehayduke said:

    @KollectorKing said:

    @spacehayduke said:

    @KollectorKing said:
    Easy $$ I bought 1.2K shs B)

    You are assuming price will bounce up again after the 50% reduction in dividend plus slow down in revenue. I don't think there is any easy $$ here..............

    Best, SH

    The drop was too huge to ignore. I bought below 17 & anything above that is easy money, $17.95.

    You only insure making money if you sell now. If you wait too long it may flip the other way and seek a deeper bottom..... This kind of trading for a stock with obvious issues (lower revenue/profit, drastic reduction in dividend), you will need to stay on top of and try to time it. IMO the short upswing this morning is all of the folks trying to get in and quick flip, pushing it higher temporarily. So you will have to watch carefully to insure easy money. Lots of risk here.

    Best, SH

    Totally agree. It's call day trading.

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    YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am in the investment business.
    While this could be a buying opportunity, A rally after a huge drop like which has happened to this stock is often called :

    “A dead cat bounce.”

    (Please don’t ban me for that one.)

    Yorkshireman,Obsessed collector of round, metallic pieces of history.Hunting for Latin American colonial portraits plus cool US & British coins.
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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,200 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Didn't the big move affect their bottom line too? A fundamentally sound company, it is sure taking a long time for submissions now which must have something to do with their being busy? Is NGC likely having the same issues?

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,960 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hmmmm. 2 shares CLCT , or one submission ?

    The investor/ coin geek in me is confused.

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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,012 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:

    CEO update: "Despite another record performance from our PSA and PSA/DNA division, the decrease in coin submissions in China, weakness in the vintage coin market and a substantial decline in modern coin sales at the U.S. Mint combined to adversely impact our overall results."

    The decline in submissions in China is surprising to me. What's the rest of that story?

    Maybe we'd get faster turnaround if we sent our coins there?

    theknowitalltroll;
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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2018 9:34AM

    @Yorkshireman said:
    I am in the investment business.
    While this could be a buying opportunity, A rally after a huge drop like which has happened to this stock is often called :

    “A dead cat bounce.”

    (Please don’t ban me for that one.)

    How many insiders are selling? That should be a clue/tipoff.

    theknowitalltroll;
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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm out 200 @18+ & 1000@17.75.
    :)

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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Avg volume 3mos 25.5K shs/day
    Today so far 456K shs.

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    goldengolden Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was thinking about buying last week. Sure glad that I didn't.

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    Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A bad earnings report in the middle of a stock market correction is a bad thing. Shoot...a 30% haircut. Could be a nice buy at this price.

    Dave

    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:
    If I hadn't loaded up on AAPL to the tune of 20% of my port at $158ish I'd be looking at this right now.

    I'll take the company with 1/4 trillion in cash and a license to print money, though, over CLCT.

    Totally agree but it's fun to day trade & make a few bucks.

    I'm tied up on both aapl & amzn otherwise I would've bought more than 1.200 shs.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,960 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Opportunity abounds. The market is alive and well...... Well , being a deep subject.

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    specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Its better for every one except PCGS in the long term if they remain firm on grading standards. They have allowed the line to move too many times seriously hurting the folks that count-collectors. If they can afford to stay tight the left overs will go away and we will have a much better overall market. That would also further their existence.

    A known fact was also for years PCGS was bleeding cash to pay the divvy. There should be no surprise here. I question are they that clueless not to see this coming? Why did they count so much on China?

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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2018 2:07PM

    $17.17, not bad since it did not test the 52 week low on a massacre day;

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @specialist said:
    Its better for every one except PCGS in the long term if they remain firm on grading standards. They have allowed the line to move too many times seriously hurting the folks that count-collectors. If they can afford to stay tight the left overs will go away and we will have a much better overall market. That would also further their existence.

    A known fact was also for years PCGS was bleeding cash to pay the divvy. There should be no surprise here. I question are they that clueless not to see this coming? Why did they count so much on China?

    ahh the "divvy", the familiar use of "the dividend"

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When you crack a nice CAC older holder and the grade goes down 2 points, something is wrong, and we stop submitting coins. I am also not a fan of being forced to take the TrueView and Gold Shield service on my $65 service level. Why do I not want the TrueView on every coin? Sometimes they exaggerate insignificant marks and when I sell the coin, it is presented in a bad light, against my choice. Sometimes the coin looks too good on the TrueView. I should be able to choose if I want someone to present MY coin the way they think is best.

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    metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And the roller coaster ride continues.

    email: ccacollectibles@yahoo.com

    100% Positive BST transactions
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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 8, 2018 11:10PM

    @specialist said:
    Its better for every one except PCGS in the long term if they remain firm on grading standards. They have allowed the line to move too many times seriously hurting the folks that count-collectors.

    Unless you are liquidating permanently and need coins regraded. A few months of ultra conservative grading isn’t going to turn this market around after a decade plus of grade inflation. Inflated grades can help balance out the lowered prices resulting from grade inflation if you are lucky.

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 9, 2018 1:49AM

    .

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    jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What is this thing you speak of?

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And the beat goes on........Stocks, stock market dips and record highs....The worlds largest casino....Put your money down and take your chances. ;) Cheers, RickO

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    CCGGGCCGGG Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 9, 2018 6:59AM

    @ricko said:
    And the beat goes on........Stocks, stock market dips and record highs....The worlds largest casino....Put your money down and take your chances. ;) Cheers, RickO

    I don't know if my money goes faster in the stock market or the actual casinos. I seem to keep getting this "buy low and sell high" thing backwards. Dropped 35k between the two just yesterday and by far the most was at the casino.

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,200 ✭✭✭✭✭

    People would have done better with the right PCGS certified coins with cac stickers than with the stock.

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CCGGG said:
    Look at the b> @messydesk said:

    CEO update: "Despite another record performance from our PSA and PSA/DNA division, the decrease in coin submissions in China, weakness in the vintage coin market and a substantial decline in modern coin sales at the U.S. Mint combined to adversely impact our overall results."

    Maybe this will translate into reasonable turn around times for coin submissions.

    If I am reading the transcript from the earnings statement correctly, they might not be able to afford another grader even if PCGS wanted to do so:

    Thank you, Joe. I will now give a brief overview of the financial results for the second quarter of fiscal ‘18. For the second quarter, the company generated service revenues of $14.1 million earned, operating income of $240,000 and after-tax income from continuing operations of $70,000 or $0.01 per diluted share. This compares to revenues of $17.9 million, operating income of $4.5 million and after-tax income from continuing operations of $2.9 million or $0.34 per diluted share for the second quarter of fiscal ‘17.

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,200 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It sounds like my net income after all the expenses in numismatics.

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    david3142david3142 Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FadeToBlack said:

    @CCGGG said:

    @ricko said:
    And the beat goes on........Stocks, stock market dips and record highs....The worlds largest casino....Put your money down and take your chances. ;) Cheers, RickO

    I don't know if my money goes faster in the stock market or the actual casinos. I seem to keep getting this "buy low and sell high" thing backwards. Dropped 35k between the two just yesterday and by far the most was at the casino.

    Learn momentum trading. Not only is it a lot of fun, but I beat the market by about 6% last year. :)

    And how much of that is in short term gains taxed as ordinary income?

    There is a momentum ETF, (MTUM) if you are interested in following momentum. And it won’t take up any time!

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    KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $16.17 anyone interested?

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    stevekstevek Posts: 28,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The stock took the plunge on very heavy trading volume...that's usually not good for the immediate future, but ya never know for sure.

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    ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭

    @KollectorKing said:
    $16.17 anyone interested?

    Nope.

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