This is the Kind of Stuff that REALLY hurts the Hobby
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This was recently on E-Bay
Counterfeit Gold Buffalo (Had to re-post this picture)
Pete
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I agree.
while NGC holders do hurt the hobby they should get a pass for that one because it is fake
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
crap!
Yes, that is what it is.
BHNC #203
I don't do modern gold so I'm really thrown off by this one. What makes anyone think it's a fake?
Seems to match this sold on ebay (photograph excluded): https://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-W-American-Buffalo-Gold-50-One-Ounce-PF-70-Ultra-Cameo-NGC-9999-Fine-/362138685496?hash=item545125d038:g:7TsAAOSw6VRZ7U9N&nma=true&si=wji7V6%2F9A6K0WHMwtowhm%2F7UQFg%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
look at his face, looks like a cartoon figure.
BHNC #203
Looks like the one on the ngc site https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/2577873-026/70/
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
ugh
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That's just the photography in my opinion. I think it's the real deal.
bob
ewwww,
I was thinking also it is weird non flattering photography
Huh. Looks ridiculous at first glance........ I thought it to be a poor fake. Then, possibly a real coin with goofy photography.
Either way I don’t understand the appeal of collectible bullion.
I don't think so. Spaghetti hair, anyone? It even looks worse than an authentic 2001 buffalo nickel silver dollar. The slab label is also off if you compare against the real one.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars
Gold plated.
The hair details and facial details are off.
An obvious fake-just about everything is wrong with that one. Thanks for posting, Pete.
Okay, you convinced me.
bob :O
The fact that it fooled anyone here is a little scary. Note that the fields seem smooth in this fake, and the real ones are textured. Terrible fake.
Very informative video on this coin.................fake NGC holder and 11 grams light for starters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0oO2CSSQv8Even I could tell it was a fake, so that's pretty bad. (The coin, that is, the slab might have fooled me as I have so little experience with them).
Thanks for posting the video!
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I was hoping the video would end with the slab and coin being impaled on the business end of a drill press.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars
You should have been a coin film producer.......great idea.
It's just a poor lighted picture on a computer screen. I don't care how much of an ''expert" someone around here self proclaims themselves to be, you cant authenticate a coin from a digital picture.
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
As the saying goes "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck"
OK, so looking on a computer monitor instead of a teeny smartphone, it's obviously a fake. The real article has sculpted fields - not perfectly smooth flat mirrors as depicted here. The hair detail, eye detail, and overall "look" is off. It is difficult to photograph proof gold..... even on CoinFacts they look very different depending on the lighting technique, but this one just isn't OK. The distance from the hair to the rim is too great. The forehead and cheek profiles are off.......
Buy from reputable sources. Put these crooks out of business... unfortunately not everyone pays attention. I can’t imagine buying fakes... putting them away for years and then discovering down the road you were duped.
100% fake. Confirming if a piece is authentic can be tricky using images. But this one absolutely screams counterfeit.
Holder is a dead giveaway to me
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Terrible.
Seriously? The shape of the face isn't even right, no amount of "poor" light can hide that.
You may not be able to 100% authenticate a coin by a picture but you can surely tell when one is an obvious counterfeit.
Also note that the holder prongs are not touching the coin in the same locations as the NGC cert photo, the NGC logo in the official photo is completely covered by the holographic strip where the OP one is about 75%, among other discrepancies. NGC does a great service by photographing every coin in the holder.
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You guys are being a bit merciless on @blitzdude. Yes, it screams fake to most of us. Everything from the printing on the slab to the coin itself. But photos can be deceiving IN GENERAL and he may not be that familiar with the original. Geez, show some people some mercy. I'm sure we could fool you with the right coin in the right photo.
Absolutely true. You cannot absolutely authenticate from photo. You can sometimes, however, absolutely determine it to be a counterfeit from the photo.
Perhaps so. The way I read his comment it came off as pretty snide, especially after someone posted an educational video concerning another counterfeit of the same coin, in the same certification number group even. No one here was proclaiming to be an expert.
You could absolutely fool me with a picture of a good counterfeit, I will readily admit that.
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Is the seller account still active?
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I don't know. The coin I posted was posted here previously a while back. Because of all the "bad coin" threads lately I reposted it.
Seems like it got a better "reception" this time around.
EDITED TO ADD: I looked in my files and found the time stamp on when it was downloaded: April 25, 2017
Pete
That coin is a blatant fake and the picture makes it clear to anyone with a modicum of experience. Now, authenticating from a picture can be very tricky with many counterfeits, such as gold Indian 2 1/2 and 5 dollar coins - and in most cases should not be relied on. However, when you get what clearly is a caricature of the original, then it is easy to call it from a picture, three feet away. Cheers, RickO
If it looks like crap and smells like crap...do you really need to taste it?
Terrible fake.
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Not sure if it hurts the hobby, but this type of ______ sure permeates it.
why doesn't someone just post a picture of a genuine NGC holdered coin side-by-side with the OP coin? that should settle things, right??
OK we're gonna test this. Was a PITA to make.
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Thank you for sharing.