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1976 Bicentennial Silver Uncirculated Set, Souvenir Set

ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 16, 2018 4:43PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Anyone familiar with this set? Outer envelope?
Any info would be greatly appreciated.

~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,604 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is it original packaging? If so, I assume it was sold at the mint to those who visited in person for the tour, considering the inclusion of the mint medal.

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have never seen anything like it - I suspect an aftermarket holder.

  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    I have never seen anything like it - I suspect an aftermarket holder.

    I have never seen it, not sure if aftermarket or US Mint souvenir set similar to this,

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,178 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't know it.

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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never seen it before either.

  • BackroadJunkieBackroadJunkie Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not my auction:

    1976 US Mint Bicentennial Souvenir Set Medal 40% Silver Quarter Half Dollar Ike

  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2018 1:58AM

    @BackroadJunkie said:
    Not my auction:

    1976 US Mint Bicentennial Souvenir Set Medal 40% Silver Quarter Half Dollar Ike

    Thanks for that link, confirms US Mint.
    Purchased one.

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    This is the first time I've seen this set being offered...not sure if this is a Mint product or after market product. Interesting if this came from the Mint gift shop as I've never seen this token before.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have not seen that before.... Sure looks like a Mint product. I wonder if this was from the gift shop. Cheers, RickO

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    I have not seen that before.... Sure looks like a Mint product. I wonder if this was from the gift shop. Cheers, RickO

    I think the same thing. I can't think of anywhere else.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is unlikely to be an "official issue" in the traditional sense of the word. The mint sold special sets at at least one coin show that year and this was a 3 piece (with medal) cu/ ni clad bicentennial set at the Texas Numismatic Association show.

    I'd guess this set was sold at another show but might well have been packaged by the US Mint. The TNA set came in an envelope that stated it was packaged for the show.

    Tempus fugit.
  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cladking said:
    It is unlikely to be an "official issue" in the traditional sense of the word. The mint sold special sets at at least one coin show that year and this was a 3 piece (with medal) cu/ ni clad bicentennial set at the Texas Numismatic Association show.

    I'd guess this set was sold at another show but might well have been packaged by the US Mint. The TNA set came in an envelope that stated it was packaged for the show.

    Thanks cladking!

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2018 4:16PM


    Link to this purchase thanks to BackroadJunkie,
    Thanks! :#

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That red and blue stripe theme has been seen in other 'after market' sets made

  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2018 5:06PM

    @davewesen said:
    That red and blue stripe theme has been seen in other 'after market' sets made


    I agree, I have seen these sets before.


    Based on this envelope I'm not convinced (yet) that this is an aftermarket product.
    I would think that they would need permission to use the names stated, and to use
    'US Mint'

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭

    @ECHOES said:

    @davewesen said:
    That red and blue stripe theme has been seen in other 'after market' sets made

    >


    Based on this envelope I'm not convinced (yet) that this is an aftermarket product.
    I would think that they would need permission to use the names stated, and to use
    'US Mint'

    If the coins, dollar, half and quarter were removed from an official 3 piece Mint product they are just relaying information from the Mint packaging, names are the same, just like an article mentioning Mint officials. I would think perfectly OK. Now if they just took bags of coins and packaged them into sets, that would be different, but the coins used by the Mint for the Bicentennial sets did have a bit, just a bit of special handling.

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  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WoodenJefferson said:

    @ECHOES said:

    @davewesen said:
    That red and blue stripe theme has been seen in other 'after market' sets made

    >


    Based on this envelope I'm not convinced (yet) that this is an aftermarket product.
    I would think that they would need permission to use the names stated, and to use
    'US Mint'

    If the coins, dollar, half and quarter were removed from an official 3 piece Mint product they are just relaying information from the Mint packaging, names are the same, just like an article mentioning Mint officials. I would think perfectly OK. Now if they just took bags of coins and packaged them into sets, that would be different, but the coins used by the Mint for the Bicentennial sets did have a bit, just a bit of special handling.

    You make an excellent point.

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,155 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All of the mint made sets I have seen that were sold at conventions or gift shops had a light blue envelope. I am not sure origin really matters, it is an interesting set.

  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Curiously I just looked through some souvenir sets and found a couple of two piece (plus medal) sets with souvenir set-like envelopes. These are just the half and quarter. They were apparently mint issue.

    Tempus fugit.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,178 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cladking said:
    Curiously I just looked through some souvenir sets and found a couple of two piece (plus medal) sets with souvenir set-like envelopes. These are just the half and quarter. They were apparently mint issue.

    Those were sold at the 1975 ANA convention in L.A. I was there.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @cladking said:
    Curiously I just looked through some souvenir sets and found a couple of two piece (plus medal) sets with souvenir set-like envelopes. These are just the half and quarter. They were apparently mint issue.

    Those were sold at the 1975 ANA convention in L.A. I was there.

    Cool.

    Thanks.

    Tempus fugit.
  • Latari_NumisLatari_Numis Posts: 24 ✭

    B)
    Good info here......

  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cladking said:
    Curiously I just looked through some souvenir sets and found a couple of two piece (plus medal) sets with souvenir set-like envelopes. These are just the half and quarter. They were apparently mint issue.

    I have this too, clad half, quarter, bronze (?)metal with light blue envelope.

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @cladking said:
    Curiously I just looked through some souvenir sets and found a couple of two piece (plus medal) sets with souvenir set-like envelopes. These are just the half and quarter. They were apparently mint issue.

    Those were sold at the 1975 ANA convention in L.A. I was there.

    Thanks for info.

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ECHOES said:

    @CaptHenway said:

    @cladking said:
    Curiously I just looked through some souvenir sets and found a couple of two piece (plus medal) sets with souvenir set-like envelopes. These are just the half and quarter. They were apparently mint issue.

    Those were sold at the 1975 ANA convention in L.A. I was there.

    If I might ask, who was selling these sets?

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,178 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Been a while, but as I recall it was the U.S. Mint booth. The dollars had not yet been released, so they did the quarter and the half and a San Francisco Mint medal since the show was in California.

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  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Been a while, but as I recall it was the U.S. Mint booth. The dollars had not yet been released, so they did the quarter and the half and a San Francisco Mint medal since the show was in California.

    Thank you for info.

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Set I purchased arrived. Did a search for this set and found this, I'm hoping this might spark someone's memory. Also found the letters 'IACOCOA' on obverse of medal.

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I found a couple of these sets as well.

    The first is similar to your second set but has a MN 13c stamp. (Aug 25 post mark)

    The other has no stamps or post marks at all.

    This is starting to ring a bell now. Lee Iacocca was, I believe, chairman of the Chrysler Corporation by about this time. He had something to do with the bicentennial and coins but I don't recall the connection.

    Tempus fugit.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oops. Found this;

    http://articles.mcall.com/1986-04-09/news/2530909_1_silver-bronze-bicentennial-medal

    Looks like Michael Iacocca probably designed the medal.

    Tempus fugit.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://www.usmint.gov/learn/history/historical-documents/first-medal-in-us-customs-series-commemorates-georgetown-customhouse

    Tempus fugit.
  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cladking said:
    I found a couple of these sets as well.

    The first is similar to your second set but has a MN 13c stamp. (Aug 25 post mark)

    The other has no stamps or post marks at all.

    This is starting to ring a bell now. Lee Iacocca was, I believe, chairman of the Chrysler Corporation by about this time. He had something to do with the bicentennial and coins but I don't recall the connection.

    cladking, thanks for the info...

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
  • ECHOESECHOES Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Found new info, please read description:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/282294303080

    ~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~
    POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
    Love for Music / Collector of Dreck

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