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Counterfeit Morgan?

New guy here but not new to collecting. Although I will say most of my coins were picked out of change in the 1960's. In the early 1970's I might have pedaled my bicycle to the corner coin/stamp store to fill some holes with money I made cutting yards. Recently I ventured back in as a way of saving. As teacher with three kids and a wife who doesn't work money sitting in a checking account doesn't last long.

That's neither here nor there.

A see a lot of threads mentioning counterfeits. Coins as well as slabs. I though I was somewhat informed having read the PCGS Coin Grading and Counterfeit Detection book 15 years ago. However I have delved into buying raw circulated Morgans on eBay and well you can probably guess where this is going.

I purchased this coin a few months ago and something doesn't look right. As many of you are experts, what are the visual clues? Opinions, real or not real?

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,869 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that it is genuine, but it has been wiped. A layer of the original skin has been removed in the fields leaving with white surfaces surrounding the protected surfaces. .

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    coinhackcoinhack Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hello, @David_Mc and welcome to the Boards.

    I agree with @FadeToBlack. I think the reason, it doesn't look right, is the cleaning.

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome to the Boards! I'll have to defer your question to the Morgan guys, as I am nowhere near an expert on them.

    A cursory look at the coin makes me think it might have been cleaned in the past.

    That's it for me.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coin looks OK, needs to tone over.

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    abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Professionally groomed and toned and it will be just (extra) fine.

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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Messed with worth more than melt as it is a low mintage coin.

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    @FadeToBlack said:
    I'm inclined to say that is real, but badly cleaned. Nothing jumps out at me. If the weight is fine, I think you're good.

    Thanks for the welcome. The weight was what was scaring me. On the first weigh in it was 26.9 grams. Specific gravity in the 9.8 - 9.9 range. I just went and purchased a finer scale and it weighed in at 26.80 grams. Still seems a little heavy. Specific gravity measurement jumped to 10.19 so it's likely OK?

    I understand that most raw coins on eBay have problems, have been cleaned and otherwise dealer culls. No local stores nearby so avenues are limited.

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    RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    0.900 fine silver density is 10.337 (nominal).

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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,230 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks genuine but has some seriously ugly skin, dead, lifeless.

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @David_Mc... Welcome aboard.... Your coin looks genuine, but - as already mentioned - previously cleaned a bit. There is still a lot of crust in the recesses though and that will affect weight. Cheers, RickO

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