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Need help grading this flying eagle penny. Possible D.D.O?

anthonypacyanthonypacy Posts: 23 ✭
edited January 6, 2018 5:42PM in U.S. Coin Forum



One of the pictures shows some minor doubling on the “a“

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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 6, 2018 12:39PM

    It's a "CENT", not a penny.

    I'd go with 40, BUT, is that some PVC contamination at 7:00 on the reverse?

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,345 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF details but excessive marks for the grade, especially on the obverse.

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  • anthonypacyanthonypacy Posts: 23 ✭

    @ms70 it’s not on the coin

  • BobSavBobSav Posts: 937 ✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    XF details but excessive marks for the grade, especially on the obverse.

    I agree, maybe pictures out of the holder would help, hard to tell what's on the coin or what's on the holder.
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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The images make the obverse appear to have been cleaned, but it may just be the lighting.
    I would agree it seems to have XF details, but areas of weak strike.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,984 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The last two pictures make it look like a VF-25. Even if it does have a fair number of marks, that grade would still hold. The pictures above that have VF-35 sharpness, too many marks to avoid a 10 point deduction. So, VF-25, straight or net graded.

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  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would say 35. Not a handsome coin.

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  • anthonypacyanthonypacy Posts: 23 ✭

    @ms70 @Walkerguy21D @BobSav pictures are updated

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The new images make it appear a little more original, but based on the wear (and tear), more like VF30/35.
    The reverse looks XF - but the obverse carries the weight.
    I also think it is the Large Letters variety....and the doubling noted on the A is probably mechanical doubling, not a doubled die variety.

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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 6, 2018 9:44PM

    @anthonypacy said:
    @ms70 it’s not on the coin

    Yes, better pics now. With these views I'd say 30. I'm thinking it probably looks better in hand (not magnified).

    When EagleEye comes across this he will give some good thoughts.

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  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's a Large Letter / Low leaves, which is scarcer than the High Leaves reverse. It looks like an S3 which is a DDO. It has all the feathers on the left wing well defined, so it is at least an EF. Lots of marks, so it is not a Choice EF.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,153 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What Rick said.

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    The last two pictures make it look like a VF-25. Even if it does have a fair number of marks, that grade would still hold. The pictures above that have VF-35 sharpness, too many marks to avoid a 10 point deduction. So, VF-25, straight or net graded.

    That's closer to what I thought. Also, it has MDD, and is not a Doubled Die.

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a DD. That is shelf, mechanical, ejection or such to make it appear as a DD.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will accept the evaluation given by @EagleEye.....Cheers, RickO

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,212 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would definitely take the call from Rick Snow on F.E.and Indian Cents any day of the week. Also check out the eye on the eagle, it appears to be doubled as well.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pardon me but any poster calling this coin MD is seriously misinformed. Anyone with any experience can easily see that this coin is a doubled die. AFAIK, photos of this variety are all over the place.

    Here is the problem: The OP posts a coin, and FINALLY one of the prominent authorities on these coins identifies it as a DDO. Even he can make an occasional error; however, he ID'ed the die and his opinion was backed up by a former ANA professional authenticator! CASE CLOSED!!

    Yet, some folks continue to post nonsense. Perhaps it would have been better to ask Rick and Tom to help you to see why they made their determination. o:)

    At least a few posters had the good sense to comment on only what they know something about - grading. :)

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2018 10:10PM

    Dear @Walkerguy21D,

    I just saw that you disagreed with my post. :( Do you have a copy of Rick Snow's books on Indian Cents and Flying Eagles? Rick has provided us the Snow # of this DDO coin.

    So, I'll post this again: Any poster calling this coin MD is seriously misinformed! PM me with your address and I will send you a copy of a handout given to ANA Seminar students teaching them the difference between MD and doubled dies. The information is written by an author of the Cherrypickers Guide to varieties. :)

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,444 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I certainly don’t disagree with Rick’s opinion; I do however disagree with your premise that apparently no one else other than recognized experts are entitled to express an opinion.

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