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How does this Morgan Half Dollar Judd J1512/Pollock P1676 look?
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This just sold for $418.00 to a bidder with 4% bid activity (%) with the seller.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1877-Morgan-JUDD-Pattern-50-Cent-Coin-/152838841142
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Looks Chinese and not even silver.
It's sold from Charlotte, North Carolina.
Recent feedback is all as a buyer, not a seller. Cannot see any details on the sales, even in the last month.
https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=khuong0579&ftab=FeedbackAsBuyer&searchInterval=30
I am surprised the buy has a 4K feedback
it is a Judd-1512 does not look authentic to me (but if is, buyer got a good deal)
https://coins.ha.com/itm/patterns/1877-50c-morgan-half-dollar-judd-1512-pollock-1676-high-r7-pr62-ngc/a/1121-1873.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515
Looks like it was someones pocket piece.
That would be tough to fake and not be instantly obvious as a fake.
It does not look real.
why isn't something like this slabbed? fishy to me.
Many members on this forum that now it cannot fit in my signature. Please ask for entire list.
Because the illustrated thing (1st post) is a fake.
Definitely a fake discovered last year by Saul Teichman of USPatterns.org This is probably the 4th that I am aware of. Had one come into me and Saul pointed out the differences between it and J-1512.
I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.
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Looks like the auction was taken down after the sale. Hopefully the sale will not be consummated because of this thread or another reason. Also glad we were able to save the pics here.
Is anyone doing anything about counterfeits like these on a larger scale? Say the ICTA's Anti-Counterfeiting Task Force (ACTF)?
...or the ANA -- the "collectors' Federally Chartered organization"....?
From @ColonelJessup's post in the thread below, it seems like the ANA looks to the ICTA to handle leadership of handling counterfeits.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/11878888/#Comment_11878888
Passing the buck and avoiding the ANA's responsibility. The ICTA has no collector responsibility. The ANA does by its Federal Charter.
If the ANA is not fulfilling it's Federal Charter responsibilities, can concerns be filed with the Federal Government?
While I agree, I think the ANA is a little "gun shy" due to many past lawsuits.
Were most of the lawsuits from ANA ex-employees, or were there others? I'm just aware of the ones from ANA ex-employees.
I've only heard things besides the newspapers. Think about it, even the US government does nothing. What's the ANA going to do - expel a non-member? Policing the coin market takes time and money. Unfortunately, all we can do is stay informed, learn about fakes, and pass the word. IMHO, many posters here would not even need a hand lens or scale to tell the coin was "chocolate" if they held it. Again, we cannot protect the average guy. best we can do is alert Ebay and apparently, they are not too thrilled when we do.
@RogerB says it's part of the ANA's Federal Charter. If it is and the responsibility cannot be fulfilled, perhaps the charter needs to be amended?
The MPAA lobbies the US government as well as other governments like the Canadian government on laws to protect the movie industry.
LOL, not to be political
but our government has a "Federal Charter" of sorts and they sure do stick their nose into what they shouldn't and don't do what they should.
I will not comment further on this. Let's keep the thread focused on the OP's fake and perhaps someone can tell us what they think the ANA needs to do.
I miss the days when you could contact the buyer they just bought something bogus as reporting post sale doesn't seem to work.
Sadly $418 was spent on a $8 replica
Such a shame... It seems ebay - and others - are rife with fake coins.... and I would bet that the buyer (if the sale went through) was not one that can afford to throw $418 away....
Cheers, RickO
HPA allows ANA to bring legal action against anyone violating HPA, and to recover 100% of the crook's revenue from the illegal action.
Correction: ANA has never brought legal action against any counterfeiter. ANA want's collector trust and loyalty - then do aggressive things to positively impact the hobby. The crooks will gradually learn that there's no profit and move on.
As to the US government: Counterfeit coins are a minuscule part of a much larger dumping of fake goods - mostly by Chinese merchants. A few fake handbags are worth more than hundreds of phone Morgan dollars. It is a matter of putting government resource to best use - and coins are not on that list.
Seems like it may be a low level activity to help some overseas and domestic people make a buck that isn't impactful enough to be stopped. This one looks like it may have been made overseas, imported, and is being sold domestically.
This and doctoring are a couple of hazards in collecting people need to be aware of.