As counterfeit gold dollars go, this one is pretty bad.
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It looks like a contemporary counterfeit intended to defraud the local bar keeper or merchant. Modern counterfeit gold coins are a thousand times better.
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I think that one is probably real. Just a really bad/beat up coin.
Yes - this jewelry piece is a real coin.
The OPs ebay piece is a contemporary counterfeit. Prior to seeing the OPs ebay piece, I had only recorded one other example of this variety. The gold dollars, because of their size, can be difficult to ID as authentic or fake especially by numismatists and non-numismatists - this is just a general thing I have observed from going to many shows and seeing a lot of contemporary counterfeit gold dollars in dealer cases. Whether the dealers know they are counterfeit or not is a whole other story - I'd bet 2/3s of them actually know the piece in the 2x2 holder is a (contemporary) counterfeit.
The second piece, that is in the last link, is probably genuine. The trouble is gold coins that have been heated can lose some of their design characteristics which makes it hard to authenticate them.
Years ago I saw a Pike's Peak gold piece in the "questionable coin box" of a well known dealer. The coin had been set in for grading and had been returned outside of a slab with a notation that the graders simply could not render an opinion. They could not say "good" or "bad" because that coin had been sweated, and the surfaces were so distorted that one could not say "up" or "down."
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Here is a genuine 1853-P gold dollar for those who might be confused. There have probably been more counterfeits of the 1853-P gold dollar than anyother date, both contemporary and modern.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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Wow. That's pretty bad. Looks more like California gold.
As counterfeit gold dollars go, this one is pretty bad.
I'm guessing the seller knows it's fake.
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reported
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Yeah I agree.
another contemporary counterfeit?
Wow... that one would look bad even if it had poor photography.... Cheers, RickO
It looks like a contemporary counterfeit intended to defraud the local bar keeper or merchant. Modern counterfeit gold coins are a thousand times better.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
ouch I could plate that better. WOW
Listing ended. that was fast
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She's back...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1853-1-Dollar-Liberty-Gold-US-Coin/253318971453?hash=item3afafcc03d:g:Z4cAAOSwsFpaKGia
Reported. The seller can't take a hint!
The poor woman is covered in wrinkles
Whoa!
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And again.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1853-1-Dollar-Liberty-Gold-US-Coin/253323660739?hash=item3afb444dc3:g:Z4cAAOSwsFpaKGia
Has eBay pulled the plug on this coin before?
twice
He just pulled it off ebay.
It's hard to believe these people can't be shut down, I just don't get it.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/1853-1-Dollar-Liberty-Head-Gold-Coin-Rare-and-Nice-Jewelry/263398943731?hash=item3d53ccebf3:g:71oAAOSwHYpaHdr0
I think that one is probably real. Just a really bad/beat up coin.
Yes - this jewelry piece is a real coin.
The OPs ebay piece is a contemporary counterfeit. Prior to seeing the OPs ebay piece, I had only recorded one other example of this variety. The gold dollars, because of their size, can be difficult to ID as authentic or fake especially by numismatists and non-numismatists - this is just a general thing I have observed from going to many shows and seeing a lot of contemporary counterfeit gold dollars in dealer cases. Whether the dealers know they are counterfeit or not is a whole other story - I'd bet 2/3s of them actually know the piece in the 2x2 holder is a (contemporary) counterfeit.
Ok
Still learning the look
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The second piece, that is in the last link, is probably genuine. The trouble is gold coins that have been heated can lose some of their design characteristics which makes it hard to authenticate them.
Years ago I saw a Pike's Peak gold piece in the "questionable coin box" of a well known dealer. The coin had been set in for grading and had been returned outside of a slab with a notation that the graders simply could not render an opinion. They could not say "good" or "bad" because that coin had been sweated, and the surfaces were so distorted that one could not say "up" or "down."
How has ebay not blocked this guy yet? He listed it again...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1853-1-Dollar-Liberty-Gold-US-Coin/263400530471?hash=item3d53e52227:g:Z4cAAOSwsFpaKGia
Here is a genuine 1853-P gold dollar for those who might be confused. There have probably been more counterfeits of the 1853-P gold dollar than anyother date, both contemporary and modern.