@topstuf said:
It HAS been found. Probably by the old rich ex-slave, Samuel Ball.
The timbers at layers (if for real) mean that it was a man made hole.
I suspect you are right. I ended up reading a couple of books on this topic after my original post last year, and there is evidence pointing to Ball having found at least some of the treasure. I will keep watching because this is one of the few shows that equally piques the interest of my teenage sons and I, so we watch it every week together.
Sean Reynolds
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"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
@topstuf said:
It HAS been found. Probably by the old rich ex-slave, Samuel Ball.
The timbers at layers (if for real) mean that it was a man made hole.
I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens!
"Could it be.....??"
Anything is possible....
Rick & Marty will travel some 85 miles to the town of Timbuktu to see if what they found in the swamp is consistent with what they have yet to unearth, lol.
At least I DVR it so I don't have to catch the commercials...
At least I DVR it so I don't have to catch the commercials...
Same here, about 20-25 minutes of actual new stuff per hour
More like 5 minutes stretched to 25 minutes.
I like the new trailer, "It's all true"... And at the end of the season they will announce that it was PMD all along.
Sandy Campbell from the ANA was on the show the other day examining some ancients. So I’ve been doing some research and I may have a breakthrough. Correct me if I’m wrong but I see a strong resemblance here:
Guy finds a piece of metal with his detector. The detector expert says oh this looks like it could be metal formed anytime from 1610 to 1840 AD. Announcer them chimes in saying metal.... possibly from a treasure chest dating from 1610 ??
From that point forward every time that piece of metal is mentioned it is metal from a treasure chest from 1610.
Yeah great factual show.
@JRocco said:
Guy finds a piece of metal with his detector. The detector expert says oh this looks like it could be metal formed anytime from 1610 to 1840 AD. Announcer them chimes in saying metal.... possibly from a treasure chest dating from 1610 ??
From that point forward every time that piece of metal is mentioned it is metal from a treasure chest from 1610.
Yeah great factual show.
@JRocco said:
Guy finds a piece of metal with his detector. The detector expert says oh this looks like it could be metal formed anytime from 1610 to 1840 AD. Announcer them chimes in saying metal.... possibly from a treasure chest dating from 1610 ??
From that point forward every time that piece of metal is mentioned it is metal from a treasure chest from 1610.
Yeah great factual show.
Possibly from a treasure chest
Then the metal expert (who is also on the payroll and a member of the actors guild) looks at an ox shoe and proudly states
that it came from an ox that was probably used to drag chests, possibly filled with treasure. And like clockwork there goes the announcer.... an ox shoe... from an ox used to drag treasure chests from ships to the money pit ??
Yes, Sandy Campbell has been on there several times and has generally been roughly accurate in the information that he provides. I don't know the man but my understanding is that he is a large, reputable coin dealer located in Nova Scotia.
However, the show producers greatly exaggerate the significance and possibilities. It's a TV show and this can be expected. But the facts and discoveries can also be true, although, again, what they mean is where the producers turn this into entertainment by exploring the most wild explanations of what the evidence may or may not show. If they make their evidence available to the scientific community, and the results can be confirmed, then there are significant historical discoveries being made on this site even if there is no treasure there today.
Some of the theories and evidence presented aren't so wild at all. I believe that it is likely that Sir Wm. Phips used this location to hide treasure recovered from the Concepion. The Moll map from around 1710 that shows the Concepcion wreck site as "Sr. Wm Phips Plate Rack" and Oak Island as "La Plata" is strong evidence of this theory.
This may be one chapter of a likely longer story of how this site may be North America's first secure storage or vault. Usually forts serve this purpose as well as others, but forts are highly visible and this was meant to be secret or stealthy as safe storage was it main purpose. Or it could be all a made up story. Confirmation of the early Carbon 14 results will tell us if this is real or not.
An investigative reporter willing to ask for scientific confirmation of the dates of organic artifacts found can quickly figure out if this is a significant scientific discovery or just a story.
Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
If some group went through such an elaborate process of building a wharf, sinking a ship, digging a money pit with side shafts and booby traps, don’t you think at some point they would come back for the treasure?
I’m amazed this show is in its 11th season. For those of you who enjoy watching the latest core sample dug apart for wood remnants, try Blind Frog Ranch- they are going to find Aztec gold hidden from the Conquistadors and they are even crazier than the Oak Island brothers.
@Hydrant said:
Oh,... I didn't know it was featured on a current television show. I don't watch television. That might be the only redeeming factor about my personality. O.k., I admit it. I do watch Leave It To Beaver reruns. But only because the Beaver's mom, June, is .........a HOTTIE!
Just like watching a soap opera……the girl gets pregnant and three years later she’s having a premature baby…..LOL. Never seen grown men get so excited by a sliver of old wood…..
Man made construct
Bore hole
Nonferrous metal
Items of interest
Hand hewn
Baby Blob
Garden Shaft
Circular depression
Old context metal
Archeometallurgist
Interpretive center
Elemental analysis
Knights Templar
Lot 5
Even if some Spanish silver were recovered toady, it would probably be more "sea water effect" Concepion 8 Reales and we have plenty of those in the numismatic marketplace anyway.
The Massachusetts Pine and Oak Tree silver sold by Christies and Stack's from the Nova Scotia wreck "Feversham" was much more interesting.
Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
If they ever do find anything we would hear about it before the next season arrives. We are watching their escapades 6 months in the past. I think, if there was really any treasure the, the man that grew cabbages on the island found it. He retired a wealthy man...from growing cabbages?...probably not. The only treasure they find is the weekly paycheck from the History Channel. And don't get me started on metal detection expert Gary Drayton...
"Lead Trade Token" is the often repeated misnomer that has dominated the last year and I'm shocked that nobody here has picked up on that. As numismatists, how many silver dollar sized 14th century French lead tokens have you seen or even heard about?
Sandy Campbell commented that he had seen an identical item in a late Roman dig. But the scalloped edge piece with two small holes near the center and no design is not a token nor did Sandy identify it as such. The scientific testing shows it was made from the same lead as the cross- a major French mine which shut down in the 1400s.
I think Oak Island would be a lot funnier if it was produced by Larry David.
The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.
@3stars said:
I dropped an ancient Roman coin in my yard yesterday. They would say the Romans were in Alaska in 300BC...
No I’m pretty sure it was the Knights Templar that placed that old context metal in that area of interest in your yard. Better dig some boreholes and take core samples.
After a long day I enjoy this utter nonsense and gobbledygook language they make up. A rusty old hinge ultimately becomes definitely, for sure, without a doubt, from a treasure chest- definitely.
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They keep on digging there won't be any island left.
It HAS been found. Probably by the old rich ex-slave, Samuel Ball.
The timbers at layers (if for real) mean that it was a man made hole.
Sure it wasn't made by aliens?
They copied the Seinfeld formula .......A show about nothing. Can't change the channel fast enough.
Just keep on digging, I mean waiting.
I was fascinated with the story when I was 12 years old. Not so much anymore. In fact not interested at all. It's on T.V.?
Yet Seinfield is one of the top rated sitcoms of all time,,,,,,,,
If they dig waaaaaay deep they might find Jimmy Hoffa .
I suspect you are right. I ended up reading a couple of books on this topic after my original post last year, and there is evidence pointing to Ball having found at least some of the treasure. I will keep watching because this is one of the few shows that equally piques the interest of my teenage sons and I, so we watch it every week together.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens!
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
"Could it be.....??"
I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens!> @mannie gray said:
Anything is possible....
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
Yes you're right.
Possibly a group effort : Shakespeare, Bacon and aliens, all working in concert.
Rick & Marty will travel some 85 miles to the town of Timbuktu to see if what they found in the swamp is consistent with what they have yet to unearth, lol.
At least I DVR it so I don't have to catch the commercials...
Same here, about 20-25 minutes of actual new stuff per hour
I'm not so sure there is that much!
More like 5 minutes stretched to 25 minutes.
I like the new trailer, "It's all true"... And at the end of the season they will announce that it was PMD all along.
Sandy Campbell from the ANA was on the show the other day examining some ancients. So I’ve been doing some research and I may have a breakthrough. Correct me if I’m wrong but I see a strong resemblance here:
Guy finds a piece of metal with his detector. The detector expert says oh this looks like it could be metal formed anytime from 1610 to 1840 AD. Announcer them chimes in saying metal.... possibly from a treasure chest dating from 1610 ??
From that point forward every time that piece of metal is mentioned it is metal from a treasure chest from 1610.
Yeah great factual show.
Possibly from a treasure chest
Then the metal expert (who is also on the payroll and a member of the actors guild) looks at an ox shoe and proudly states
that it came from an ox that was probably used to drag chests, possibly filled with treasure. And like clockwork there goes the announcer.... an ox shoe... from an ox used to drag treasure chests from ships to the money pit ??
Just go with it man
Yes, Sandy Campbell has been on there several times and has generally been roughly accurate in the information that he provides. I don't know the man but my understanding is that he is a large, reputable coin dealer located in Nova Scotia.
However, the show producers greatly exaggerate the significance and possibilities. It's a TV show and this can be expected. But the facts and discoveries can also be true, although, again, what they mean is where the producers turn this into entertainment by exploring the most wild explanations of what the evidence may or may not show. If they make their evidence available to the scientific community, and the results can be confirmed, then there are significant historical discoveries being made on this site even if there is no treasure there today.
Some of the theories and evidence presented aren't so wild at all. I believe that it is likely that Sir Wm. Phips used this location to hide treasure recovered from the Concepion. The Moll map from around 1710 that shows the Concepcion wreck site as "Sr. Wm Phips Plate Rack" and Oak Island as "La Plata" is strong evidence of this theory.
This may be one chapter of a likely longer story of how this site may be North America's first secure storage or vault. Usually forts serve this purpose as well as others, but forts are highly visible and this was meant to be secret or stealthy as safe storage was it main purpose. Or it could be all a made up story. Confirmation of the early Carbon 14 results will tell us if this is real or not.
An investigative reporter willing to ask for scientific confirmation of the dates of organic artifacts found can quickly figure out if this is a significant scientific discovery or just a story.
If some group went through such an elaborate process of building a wharf, sinking a ship, digging a money pit with side shafts and booby traps, don’t you think at some point they would come back for the treasure?
I’m amazed this show is in its 11th season. For those of you who enjoy watching the latest core sample dug apart for wood remnants, try Blind Frog Ranch- they are going to find Aztec gold hidden from the Conquistadors and they are even crazier than the Oak Island brothers.
The borehole brothers.
Gary “eats faa unart yiah aw” Drayden.
Such an interesting place, such poor editing and scripting.
So was Betty Rubble.
I like watching the show. beats watching paint dry. Ha Ha
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Just like watching a soap opera……the girl gets pregnant and three years later she’s having a premature baby…..LOL. Never seen grown men get so excited by a sliver of old wood…..
Sounds like Florida's been watching
Pirates mate, that's who could leave coins from all different origins and times in one place, lot 5.
The "Treasure of Oak Island" is the money those guys are raking in from this show.
Just waiting for the discovery of the next “man made construct”
Man made construct
Bore hole
Nonferrous metal
Items of interest
Hand hewn
Baby Blob
Garden Shaft
Circular depression
Old context metal
Archeometallurgist
Interpretive center
Elemental analysis
Knights Templar
Lot 5
Pretty much covers it right?
Don't forget high trace levels of gold.
Even if some Spanish silver were recovered toady, it would probably be more "sea water effect" Concepion 8 Reales and we have plenty of those in the numismatic marketplace anyway.
The Massachusetts Pine and Oak Tree silver sold by Christies and Stack's from the Nova Scotia wreck "Feversham" was much more interesting.
If they ever do find anything we would hear about it before the next season arrives. We are watching their escapades 6 months in the past. I think, if there was really any treasure the, the man that grew cabbages on the island found it. He retired a wealthy man...from growing cabbages?...probably not. The only treasure they find is the weekly paycheck from the History Channel. And don't get me started on metal detection expert Gary Drayton...
Did someone say "Holy Schmoley, another Bobby Dazzler"?
"Lead Trade Token" is the often repeated misnomer that has dominated the last year and I'm shocked that nobody here has picked up on that. As numismatists, how many silver dollar sized 14th century French lead tokens have you seen or even heard about?
Sandy Campbell commented that he had seen an identical item in a late Roman dig. But the scalloped edge piece with two small holes near the center and no design is not a token nor did Sandy identify it as such. The scientific testing shows it was made from the same lead as the cross- a major French mine which shut down in the 1400s.
As best as I can determine, the "lead trade token" is a toy called a spinner which goes back at least 2000 years but are still being made today. I'm not the only person to notice this:
https://reddit.com/r/OakIslandDiscussion/comments/12wc8gk/roman_trade_token_or_childs_toy/?rdt=52234
Apparently not.
No you're not. First time I saw it I thought it looked like a whirligig or a whizzer, like you did.
https://apps.jefpat.maryland.gov/diagnostic/SmallFinds/Toys/LargeImagePages/18CV91-LeadWhizzer-1.html
https://historicjamestowne.org/shop/toys/whirligig/
https://finds.org.uk/database/artefacts/record/id/1092466
Darn, I must have missed that episode.
Haha must have brought my work home with me!
If anyone finds one of these on Oak Island, please let me know.
Egyptian Magic Coin
The Mysterious Egyptian Magic Coin
Coins in Movies
Coins on Television
Luckily this was on at the same time as Oak Island. I think it was called "Prison Break" - it was much more entertaining!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I'm sure they will if it will eke out another season of the show!
Seinfeld show was a show about nothing and drew huge audience.
Maybe they think a humorless show about nothing will still draw enough to stay on the stream. Seems to be working.
I think Oak Island would be a lot funnier if it was produced by Larry David.
The substantial truth doctrine is an important defense in defamation law that allows individuals to avoid liability if the gist of their statement was true.
I dropped an ancient Roman coin in my yard yesterday. They would say the Romans were in Alaska in 300BC...
I don't get it - week after week a show about how they are not finding anything.
No I’m pretty sure it was the Knights Templar that placed that old context metal in that area of interest in your yard. Better dig some boreholes and take core samples.
After a long day I enjoy this utter nonsense and gobbledygook language they make up. A rusty old hinge ultimately becomes definitely, for sure, without a doubt, from a treasure chest- definitely.