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KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Thoughts?

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks nice. Strike is a little weak but the color makes up for that.

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the toning. AU-58. (if that is indeed rub on the hip and cheek).

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great color on that one! Nice coin-maybe just a little weaker than average strikewise but as Chris says above the color more than compensates.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Intense toning!
    Gotta believe it's MS-something, as I think more of this date exist in Unc than in circ grades.

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  • CCC2010CCC2010 Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭

    I like it a lot! :)

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Love the color.


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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 62.... and my thoughts are 'What the devil was that stored in or what has happened to tarnish it like that?' Just my thought..... Cheers, RickO

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said: "Gotta believe it's MS-something, as I think more of this date exist in Unc than in circ grades."

    Really? I've posted my opinion of the coin but I'm curious about yours. If I read it correctly, when most of a particular date/mint coin exists in Mint State (I'm working hard to stop using Uncirculated any more) that means when a collector looks at a similar high grade coin its got to be MS-something.

    I'm curious to know what your opinion of the OP's coin is since you believe it must be Mint State. :)

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2017 6:39AM

    Funny I don't see 'your opinion' of the coin in this thead.....but would like to know what THAT is....based on the photo, I think it's MS.
    Do you want a more specific opinion? How about between 62 and 66....now go troll someone else.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said: "Funny I don't see 'your opinion' of the coin in this thead.....but would like to know what THAT is....based on the photo, I think it's MS. Do you want a more specific opinion? How about between 62 and 66....now go troll someone else."

    So sorry o:) you feel trolled. >:) I realize Buffalo nickels may not be your specialty - they are hard to grade for most of us. BTW, my opinion is in the second post.

    I should not have been "shocked-to-the-bone" if you would have posted your grade opinion of MS without the reason (LOL) you thought so. IMO, anyone posting between AU-58 to MS-64 would be correct on this coin. It's a beauty. Perhaps the color could even drag it up to MS-65 for some. However, IMO only a real troll >:) might grade it MS-66 just to be snarky. ;)

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No worries, Insider2 - perhaps I took your post the wrong way.
    I was just making an opinion based on seeing many nicely toned MS 38D buffs over the years, and 'assumed' this was another one. W/o the coin in hand, and proper lighting and magnification, any opinion could be way off, as we've seen many times on the forum.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All my fault.

    I'm very picky about the written word as this forum (IMO) is one of the best places around for a numismatic education - something I'm interested in as my learning never stops. I suspect there are more "lurkers" here who wish to learn rather than post. If you have not noticed, I like to add my two cents all the time; and expect members to come down hard on me when I write something silly (as has happened a few times - thank goodness!).

    BTW, I don't take offense to anyone here, their opinions., or what they think of me! I do enjoy discussions and I will sting back if needed. ;)

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,236 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58/62 Very Nice Buffalo!

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  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks 64 from here, tough to judge the luster from color shots.

    Late 30s issues were being saved by the roll, and due to it being minor coinage, and a last year of issue, only compound the hoarding so I'm in the "most are MS" camp.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • KyleKyle Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks, I couldn't pass this one up for the price. Plus I got to use my eBay bucks.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @clarkbar04 said:
    Looks 64 from here, tough to judge the luster from color shots.

    Late 30s issues were being saved by the roll, and due to it being minor coinage, and a last year of issue, only compound the hoarding so I'm in the "most are MS" camp.

    The coin is loaded with luster, both original mint luster and luster reflecting from the toning.

    What is the dark color on the horn, front thigh, and point of the hip from? Dirt? How about the center of the hair.
    Sorry to disagree. IMO the OP got a beautiful "technical" AU-58 that should get a commercial MS-62; yet the color/eye-appeal may push it as high as MS-63 or 64!

  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,937 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Considering the angle/direction the light is coming from (2 o'clock on the obverse and reverse) I'm willing to bet the anomalies you see are simply due to those areas being put in shadows via the main lighting source.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2017 12:58PM

    The series is hard enough to grade for me. And being so dark
    don't make it any better.....pass..

  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This coin was saved by the 1,000s, and normally comes hammered. Pass. You can get a solid MS 66 hammered and problem free for $60. Maybe a few dollars more for one with color. Many of them of this date have attractive color.

    I have seen at least 100 of these in MS 65 and up and never seen one this poorly struck or with this color. Perhaps the pic doesn't reflect the coin's color. Even if it does, I'd pass because of the strike. That's the sort of obverse you'd expect on an Unc. 24 S.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Elcontador said:
    This coin was saved by the 1,000s, and normally comes hammered. Pass. You can get a solid MS 66 hammered and problem free for $60. Maybe a few dollars more for one with color. Many of them of this date have attractive color.

    I have seen at least 100 of these in MS 65 and up and never seen one this poorly struck or with this color. Perhaps the pic doesn't reflect the coin's color. Even if it does, I'd pass because of the strike. That's the sort of obverse you'd expect on an Unc. 24 S.

    If what you’re really saying is well struck 38-Ds are a dime a dozen, then why not enjoy it for what it is, rather than condemn it for what it is not?

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Really is colorful, Kyle and I like it a lot.

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @clarkbar04 said: "Considering the angle/direction the light is coming from (2 o'clock on the obverse and reverse) I'm willing to bet the anomalies you see are simply due to those areas being put in shadows via the main lighting source."

    It's lucky we cannot bet. You would lose. ;)

    Grading coins from images is difficult. Fortunately, once a collector learns how to interpret the colors found on the surfaces of metal (professional instruction is not necessary but speeds up the process) these same colors can be seen in a good image.

    Grading coins in-hand should be easy as long as there are universally accepted standards. Below the grade of XF, there is usually little room for argument. XF and above is more difficult and the AU/Unc line is a minefield. It's best to rely on a TPGS if you don't know what you are doing. IMO, if a collector/dealer cannot walk into a show and leave with several coins that either upgrade, cross into a more popular holder [PCGS seems to be the favorite - SUCK, SUCK-UP :) ] or come back at the expected grade, they should avoid raw coins.

    Got off subject. Anyway, the color on the OP's coin that is on the "flat" areas I mentioned is all it takes to grade the coin "technically." That said, you must also agree that coins graded Mint State are allowed to have some friction on the high points. Call it "cabinet friction" or "roll rub" and this coin can be graded MS! In the case of the OP's coin, IMO, it deserves to be sold at a mint state price!" B)

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Please pardon this Highjack. :(

    These images are an uncirculated 1914-D 5c taken at 15X. Note that the color of the surface is uniform across the high points. I could not lay my hands on a BU 1938-D just now but it would be brighter and more struck up - without all the little nicks that were on the planchet.

    Anyway, there is no change of color due to loss of luster from friction. Now, check out the OP's coin. Yes, there is what looks like a tiny bit of dirt but most of the small area around it is dull from the rub. As we move away form the dark area we hit the remaining mint luster.

  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty Buffernick!

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,376 ✭✭✭✭✭

    nice color :)

  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bruce, you miss my point. This is a poorly struck coin on which who knows what the color really looks like unless you can see it in hand. All things being equal, would you choose a poorly struck coin over a well struck coin?

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  • specialistspecialist Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    that is a coin that must go to cac (if it has not already). can't judge if the color is real from the image. not trying to rain on the parade

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,190 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Kyle, I'm happy for you but I find the colors to be odd and not attractive to me.

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