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I'm about to sell a coin on eBay to a new member for $2650. If he pays via PayPal, can he scam me?

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,398 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BobSav said:
    I would like to hear from anybody who has had Ebay/Paypal side with them on a sale where you know the buyer scammed you.
    In the last year or so I have had several " buyers " either swap coins or claim the item I sent was not the item they purchased. In one instance the buyer purchased an item from me and then claimed I sent him a broken watch instead of the coin. Guess what I'm out 300 bucks with no recourse. The only person Paypal protects is the buyer. I even had one sale reversed after the 90 day limit for filing a claim. The buyer said his card was used without Her permission. They took my money right out of my account. I then tried to cancel my paypal account, guess what it take 90 days to accomplish that.
    Meanwhile you still on the hook...

    On a credit card payment, many of the card companies have 180 day limits.

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @derryb said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    If I print labels via PP, I always trim off the PP stuff on the bottom; why give them free advertising? Priority vs first class is determined by weight, anything over 13 ounces goes priority. Depending upon weight you might be better using flat rate or regional rate boxes. You can't use flat rate envelopes because the ink smears. Also, you're not supposed to cover up the words flat rate.

    I believe you can use the flat rate envelope but only the cardboard/paper one, not the bubble wrap one. No bubble envelopes (including paper ones) can be sent registered. Since the PO is required to put their counter stamp in numerous locations on the actual package they require all exterior packaging materials, including the tape, to be a paper product so, as you point out, their counter stamp ink does not smear. The reason they do not allow paper bubble wrap envelopes is because they want to be able to apply their stamp to a hard, not soft, surface.

    For those that do not know, you cannot buy and print registered mail services on line. They have to be purchased at a USPS counter.

    I've never gotten a registered flat rate envelope unless someone cover the whole thing with brown paper tape. I sent a request to USPS customer service. I'll post a reply.

    As of today there has been no response from the USPS to my question about whether or not flat rate envelopes can be used as is for registered mail.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,398 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @derryb said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    If I print labels via PP, I always trim off the PP stuff on the bottom; why give them free advertising? Priority vs first class is determined by weight, anything over 13 ounces goes priority. Depending upon weight you might be better using flat rate or regional rate boxes. You can't use flat rate envelopes because the ink smears. Also, you're not supposed to cover up the words flat rate.

    I believe you can use the flat rate envelope but only the cardboard/paper one, not the bubble wrap one. No bubble envelopes (including paper ones) can be sent registered. Since the PO is required to put their counter stamp in numerous locations on the actual package they require all exterior packaging materials, including the tape, to be a paper product so, as you point out, their counter stamp ink does not smear. The reason they do not allow paper bubble wrap envelopes is because they want to be able to apply their stamp to a hard, not soft, surface.

    For those that do not know, you cannot buy and print registered mail services on line. They have to be purchased at a USPS counter.

    I've never gotten a registered flat rate envelope unless someone cover the whole thing with brown paper tape. I sent a request to USPS customer service. I'll post a reply.

    As of today there has been no response from the USPS to my question about whether or not flat rate envelopes can be used as is for registered mail.

    they generally won't allow it. It's a different tier of service with an implied timeline.

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 17, 2017 4:49AM

    I video tape close up exactly what goes in package and send it quick. Get signature on the package.

    As long as the geographical area you are shipping to is good, don’t worry. I have looked up house values and other things before shipping.

    I have always called ebay if a return request on high ticket item. Let them know your concern on any return so they will have it on record. Don’t open up any return without camera and make sure it is sent back express with signature required

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't know about envelopes but I use flat rate boxes all the time. Just don't cover up the ID of the box with tape.

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @derryb said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    If I print labels via PP, I always trim off the PP stuff on the bottom; why give them free advertising? Priority vs first class is determined by weight, anything over 13 ounces goes priority. Depending upon weight you might be better using flat rate or regional rate boxes. You can't use flat rate envelopes because the ink smears. Also, you're not supposed to cover up the words flat rate.

    I believe you can use the flat rate envelope but only the cardboard/paper one, not the bubble wrap one. No bubble envelopes (including paper ones) can be sent registered. Since the PO is required to put their counter stamp in numerous locations on the actual package they require all exterior packaging materials, including the tape, to be a paper product so, as you point out, their counter stamp ink does not smear. The reason they do not allow paper bubble wrap envelopes is because they want to be able to apply their stamp to a hard, not soft, surface.

    For those that do not know, you cannot buy and print registered mail services on line. They have to be purchased at a USPS counter.

    I've never gotten a registered flat rate envelope unless someone cover the whole thing with brown paper tape. I sent a request to USPS customer service. I'll post a reply.

    As of today there has been no response from the USPS to my question about whether or not flat rate envelopes can be used as is for registered mail.

  • ebaytraderebaytrader Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭

    @DaveWcoins said:
    I'm sure people have asked this before, but I could not find threads on this subject.

    If he pays me $2650 via PayPal, it lands in my general account (not a special bank account that is emptied after every PayPal transaction), can he scam me?

    If so - how?

    I will send it USPS Express mail, with signature required.

    There's a saying often repeated on feepay forums that you shouldn't list anything that you can't afford to have stolen because it will happen to you.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think if your going to invest in / sell that kind of big ticket material you would be taking tables at a show or sell it sight seen.

    Irregardless you should consider sales issues before investing in big ticket material. Numismatic Investment is risky for a variety of reasons.

    Anything I sell on eBay I use USPS, tracking, insurance, sig confirmation (items over $200). I wb very nervous shipping big ticket item like that to somebody I don’t know that well.

    Investor
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,398 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ebaytrader said:

    @DaveWcoins said:
    I'm sure people have asked this before, but I could not find threads on this subject.

    If he pays me $2650 via PayPal, it lands in my general account (not a special bank account that is emptied after every PayPal transaction), can he scam me?

    If so - how?

    I will send it USPS Express mail, with signature required.

    There's a saying often repeated on feepay forums that you shouldn't list anything that you can't afford to have stolen because it will happen to you.

    That could also apply to coin shows: things get stolen. And if you are consigning to an auction house, you're going to have to drive it down yourself because you can't trust the mail. You simply do your due diligence and buy as much insurance as cost/benefit dictates.

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 17, 2017 9:05AM

    @amwldcoin said:
    Don't know about envelopes but I use flat rate boxes all the time. Just don't cover up the ID of the box with tape.

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    @derryb said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    If I print labels via PP, I always trim off the PP stuff on the bottom; why give them free advertising? Priority vs first class is determined by weight, anything over 13 ounces goes priority. Depending upon weight you might be better using flat rate or regional rate boxes. You can't use flat rate envelopes because the ink smears. Also, you're not supposed to cover up the words flat rate.

    I believe you can use the flat rate envelope but only the cardboard/paper one, not the bubble wrap one. No bubble envelopes (including paper ones) can be sent registered. Since the PO is required to put their counter stamp in numerous locations on the actual package they require all exterior packaging materials, including the tape, to be a paper product so, as you point out, their counter stamp ink does not smear. The reason they do not allow paper bubble wrap envelopes is because they want to be able to apply their stamp to a hard, not soft, surface.

    For those that do not know, you cannot buy and print registered mail services on line. They have to be purchased at a USPS counter.

    I've never gotten a registered flat rate envelope unless someone cover the whole thing with brown paper tape. I sent a request to USPS customer service. I'll post a reply.

    As of today there has been no response from the USPS to my question about whether or not flat rate envelopes can be used as is for registered mail.

    This. No reason to cover anything but the seams when using boxes. Don't cover up the words FLAT RATE BOX if you expect to pay FLAT RATE postage. FLAT RATE envelopes as is aren't allowed because of the glossy surface which results in smeared ink stamps. You can cover the sealing seam with brown tape tho. I can see where one would use an envelope if sending documents.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,619 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've sent registered the flat rate cardboard envelopes while only covering the seams with paper tape. They will not accept the plastic bubble type envelopes for registered.

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    I've sent registered the flat rate cardboard envelopes while only covering the seams with paper tape. They will not accept the plastic bubble type envelopes for registered.

    There's no reason to put the ink stamp in a place where there isn't a seam. When putting brown tape over the sealing flap, the stamp can go mostly on the tape.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kkathyl said:
    I video tape close up exactly what goes in package and send it quick. Get signature on the package.

    As long as the geographical area you are shipping to is good, don’t worry. I have looked up house values and other things before shipping.

    I have always called ebay if a return request on high ticket item. Let them know your concern on any return so they will have it on record. Don’t open up any return without camera and make sure it is sent back express with signature required

    You can't force anyone to send it Express. Also, talk about paranoid! And what happens if the house value does not meet your criteria?

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