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My dad feels like he has too much cash on hand. He has stocks/bonds, etc... but is looking at $40K-$50k in precious metals. What would you do in today's market?

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  • dennis1219dennis1219 Posts: 267 ✭✭✭

    This is subjective. For me I am looking to buy a couple silver Eagle monster boxes. Hoping in goes down a dollar per ounce though. Some gold is a good way to go... but I feel silver lobgterm( 10 years) has more upside.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The last crash shows the most upside is currently with silver. Be selective in what you buy, the premiums over spot are there for a reason. Buy in bulk from a reputable dealer, I currently buy from dbscoins.com

    The most bang for your buck with quality is probably in 90% silver US Coinage (pre-1966). My preference is American Silver Eagles or 10 oz. Royal Canadian Mint bars.

    Tell Pops to keep an eye on the market, could continue to move sideways for a while. No need to buy all at once, buy the dips. Safe storage is important. If kept at home, keep it a secret. Also, save all the purchase receipts for capital gains taxes upon resale.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭

    6 Month Treasury Bills. Current Rate is at 1.23%. (Tax exempt from State Income Tax.) No sdb or safe required for storage ;)

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  • BLee23BLee23 Posts: 336 ✭✭✭

    My advice would be to stick to something low premium, as it is always a challenge to make it up on the back end. Also, the US Mint backed products have great track records (ASE's, AGE's) when it comes time for resale.

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  • Downtown1974Downtown1974 Posts: 6,796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like what others have said about ASEs and AGEs.
    I would do 2 monster boxes of ASEs (1,000 ounces), and the remainder of the funds on fractional AGEs (1/4 and 1/2 ounce pieces) and a few MS69 1 oz.ers.

  • tander123tander123 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭

    Thanks for the advice everyone. I’ll have a sit down with him in the next few days and read the posts with him. Feel free to keep the opinions coming.

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    The last crash shows the most upside is currently with silver. Be selective in what you buy, the premiums over spot are there for a reason. Buy in bulk from a reputable dealer, I currently buy from dbscoins.com

    The most bang for your buck with quality is probably in 90% silver US Coinage (pre-1966). My preference is American Silver Eagles or 10 oz. Royal Canadian Mint bars.

    Tell Pops to keep an eye on the market, could continue to move sideways for a while. No need to buy all at once, buy the dips. Safe storage is important. If kept at home, keep it a secret. Also, save all the purchase receipts for capital gains taxes upon resale.

    DBScoins has yet to answer two emails with a simple question of what was the year on the roll of silver eagles that I bought from them. The roll direct from a new monster box [no year noted] had the top coin tails up and I'd rather not remove the top coin to find out.

    I'm not impressed.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:
    6 Month Treasury Bills. Current Rate is at 1.23%. (Tax exempt from State Income Tax.) No sdb or safe required for storage ;)

    There are money markets out there offering 1.25% or better.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    DBScoins has yet to answer two emails with a simple question of what was the year on the roll of silver eagles that I bought from them. The roll direct from a new monster box [no year noted] had the top coin tails up and I'd rather not remove the top coin to find out.

    I'm not impressed.

    If your receipt doesn't show a date for the random year roll, then DBS probably thought it best for you to be the one to carefully flip the coin over. Were you pleased with the price and the overall transaction?

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I always hesitate to give advice in these cases....so many variables....I do read the advice by others (as above) and often learn something. My personal preference has been ASEs and AGE's.... simply because of quality and liquidity. Predicting PM's is less reliable than predicting weather...by a large margin. So, if I gave any advice at all...it would be 'Have some gold and silver.'..... ;) Cheers, RickO

  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2017 7:19AM

    @derryb said:

    @BAJJERFAN said:

    DBScoins has yet to answer two emails with a simple question of what was the year on the roll of silver eagles that I bought from them. The roll direct from a new monster box [no year noted] had the top coin tails up and I'd rather not remove the top coin to find out.

    I'm not impressed.

    If your receipt doesn't show a date for the random year roll, then DBS probably thought it best for you to be the one to carefully flip the coin over. Were you pleased with the price and the overall transaction?

    How would they know it was flipped if they didn't open the roll? They were supposed to be unopended rolls from a new monster box. The box has a year on it and others who bought from the same deal said that their rolls arrived with stickers noting the year. Frankly, I've never seen a mint roll with the top coin tails up.
    Otherwise the transaction and price were ok. If I resell, I usually state that the coins were never removed from the roll, but in this case I can't.

    I'd call, but I really don't want to have a CS rep spend tons of time looking it up while I'm on hold. If I was in their shoes, I wouldn't appreciate a call like that either. Even a sorry can't help you response would be better than no response.

    theknowitalltroll;
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You should be receiving a communication from David at DBS shortly. Having referred him because of all the great service I get from DBS I reached out to him with your concern and he immediately replied that he will contact you.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tander123 said:
    My dad feels like he has too much cash on hand. He has stocks/bonds, etc... but is looking at $40K-$50k in precious metals. What would you do in today's market?

    I would for sure not put it all in silver unless he has a super strong stomach. Personally I would buy 10k in silver and the balance In gold

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  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @OPA said:
    6 Month Treasury Bills. Current Rate is at 1.23%. (Tax exempt from State Income Tax.) No sdb or safe required for storage ;)

    There are money markets out there offering 1.25% or better.

    Not State Tax exempt.

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:

    @derryb said:

    @OPA said:
    6 Month Treasury Bills. Current Rate is at 1.23%. (Tax exempt from State Income Tax.) No sdb or safe required for storage ;)

    There are money markets out there offering 1.25% or better.

    Not State Tax exempt.

    Not tied up for six months.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,127 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @OPA said:

    @derryb said:

    @OPA said:
    6 Month Treasury Bills. Current Rate is at 1.23%. (Tax exempt from State Income Tax.) No sdb or safe required for storage ;)

    There are money markets out there offering 1.25% or better.

    Not State Tax exempt.

    Not tied up for six months.

    Tru dat!!!! Better to tie it up for 6 years!!! Haha

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2017 10:14AM

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:

    @OPA said:

    @derryb said:

    @OPA said:
    6 Month Treasury Bills. Current Rate is at 1.23%. (Tax exempt from State Income Tax.) No sdb or safe required for storage ;)

    There are money markets out there offering 1.25% or better.

    Not State Tax exempt.

    Not tied up for six months.

    Tru dat!!!! Better to tie it up for 6 years!!! Haha

    Liquidity has its virtues. six years is a little interest and a lot of devaluation/loss of purchasing power.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,850 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a bad time to be buying metals, but I would recommend "buying in" with at least 2 separate purchases, spaced out at least 3 months apart.

    If he has no precious metals holdings at this time, I'd go with about a 50:50 mix of ASEs or 90% pre-1965 US silver coins and American Gold Eagles - denomination(s) of his choice.

    For that size purchase, I'd also limit the variety of holdings as much as possible for future ease of tax accounting. Buy in bulk, liquidate as needed. For record-keeping purposes, boring is good. ;)

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52
    I think you are correct in saying:
    For record-keeping purposes, boring is good. ;)
    :smile:

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  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,127 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:

    @cohodk said:

    @derryb said:

    @OPA said:

    @derryb said:

    @OPA said:
    6 Month Treasury Bills. Current Rate is at 1.23%. (Tax exempt from State Income Tax.) No sdb or safe required for storage ;)

    There are money markets out there offering 1.25% or better.

    Not State Tax exempt.

    Not tied up for six months.

    Tru dat!!!! Better to tie it up for 6 years!!! Haha

    Liquidity has its virtues. six years is a little interest and a lot of devaluation/loss of purchasing power.

    I think you missed my point.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,293 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tell your dad I can get him in cheaper than buffalo chips.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OPA said:
    6 Month Treasury Bills. Current Rate is at 1.23%. (Tax exempt from State Income Tax.) No sdb or safe required for storage ;)

    What about the I-bonds? they are available in smaller denominations . They have actual paper bonds you can buy with tax refunds and electronic ones also

  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2017 3:08PM

    @bronco2078 said:

    @OPA said:
    6 Month Treasury Bills. Current Rate is at 1.23%. (Tax exempt from State Income Tax.) No sdb or safe required for storage ;)

    What about the I-bonds? they are available in smaller denominations . They have actual paper bonds you can buy with tax refunds and electronic ones also

    I gave a $100 I Bond to each grand kid at Christmas & Birthday from date of birth until age 18. 4 down 1 left. B)

    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Experience as bullion dealer says I would NOT count on silver as much of a percentage.
    Silver cut the hearts out of more buyers than I could count.
    Gold is money.
    Silver isn't.
    My suggestion is 10% silver, 90 % gold.

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great, thoughtful gesture @OPA :smile:

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf
    I assume the percentages are dollar values ? :smile:
    Am I correct, thanks :smile:

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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes. That's correct. Silver's best gains are the most temporary of the two metals.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    Experience as bullion dealer says I would NOT count on silver as much of a percentage.
    Silver cut the hearts out of more buyers than I could count.
    Gold is money.
    Silver isn't.
    My suggestion is 10% silver, 90 % gold.

    They're both money when they are sold. A dollar of income from silver has the same value as a dollar of income from gold. While silver is more volatile, it is currently poised to provide much greater percentage gains than gold in a bull metals market. The gold to silver ratio agrees. A review of current spot prices vs. all time highs confirms as well.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,127 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    Yes. That's correct. Silver's best gains are the most temporary of the two metals.

    It only needs to go up for a day.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cohodk said:

    @topstuf said:
    Yes. That's correct. Silver's best gains are the most temporary of the two metals.

    It only needs to go up for a day.

    or an hour

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 20, 2017 2:53PM

    Silver cut the hearts out of more buyers than I could count.

    It's never cut my heart out, but I usually don't try to jump onto a moving train either, at least not when it's moving real fast.

    My ex went to law school and we bought an A-frame in a resort development with the proceeds from my silver buys in the late '70s. I didn't sell at the absolute top, either. I sold my gold at $600+ before the blowoff, and I sold my silver around $36 a month or two after the blowoff.

    My silver buys in '98, '99, '03, '06 and '08 don't look bad now, either. I can liquidate anytime and balance any current trading loss positions with a small piece of those holdings. I sold some silver around $35 or $36 in 2011 to buy a Large Cent. Now, THAT might have been a mistake!

    The point remains that if you buy gradually, spread some of that market risk around over time - it's more likely that you'll end up being the beneficiary of prices that did rise in the long term. Yeah, silver is pretty jumpy sometimes, but other times, it can bore you to tears. If silver were a woman, I'd go with jumpy sometimes. ;)

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmski52
    I think you are correct,** dollar cost averaging** :smile:

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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In MY opinion, silver isn't worth accumulating for speculation.

    BUT if ya gotta, stick to American Eagles and TEN ounce bars.
    I could always find a buyer for either.

    The other "stuff"...... nope.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    put it all in modern US nickels, they're only five cents each and the next precious metal.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,850 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I prefer to make larger purchases, which means that my "dollar cost averaging" is less than perfect, because I tend to start "shopping" when I find that I have too many dollars floating around. They start wailing, in unison "save me, save me". That's when I get more serious about spreads and premiums etc. :)

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  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    put it all in modern US nickels, they're only five cents each and the next precious metal.

    And get a storage shed. :D

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf
    If you saw my 1 year anniversary give a way post , you know that I am mathematically challenged, so

    Based on your recommendation [for your situation] a 10%:90% split would be ?

    silver = $20 gold = $1300

    65 oz silver per 1 oz gold ?

    Just trying to learn here :smile:
    thanks :smile:

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @topstuf said:
    In MY opinion, silver isn't worth accumulating for speculation.

    BUT if ya gotta, stick to American Eagles and TEN ounce bars.
    I could always find a buyer for either.

    The other "stuff"...... nope.

    Yep.

    m

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