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REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 26, 2017 2:29AM in U.S. Coin Forum

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    well, that depends on how the 'powers that be' consider the hit below the Y.

    I'd say yes, if reverse is as nice, a # grade

    Frank

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would say no grade because of improper cleaning. The color is off, if that is how the piece looks in person, and there are many hairlines. There are also haloes around a couple of the stars which indicates alterations in the surfaces. The mark under the "R" in "LIBERTY" will not help the cause either, especially if there is a raised spot opposite it on the reverse.

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Either a no grade or netted down considerably......which is essentially the same thing (?)
    My vote is that they gave her a grade...like F15/VF20.

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    PQueuePQueue Posts: 901 ✭✭✭

    OP stated: "but assuming its not cleaned, does it get a numeric grade?"
    Yes (assuming it is not cleaned), probably VF30ish.

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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mannie gray said:
    Either a no grade or netted down considerably......which is essentially the same thing (?)
    My vote is that they gave her a grade...like F15/VF20.

    Agree, Very tough call when it's binary grade/no grade and when its kind if close like this, looking forward to seeing the reverse, from here leaning 98.

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    REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    reverse posted. harsh halogen lamp.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now with the reverse posted and a description on the lighting I'm going with XF45!

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    mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2017 7:50PM

    Given the description re cleaning and lighting, I'll go net XF40.

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    NumivenNumiven Posts: 377 ✭✭✭
    edited October 17, 2017 5:50PM

    If straight graded, it woul be a 45-50

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    KindaNewishKindaNewish Posts: 827 ✭✭✭✭✭

    kind of off topic, but I am still learning. What do we call those mushy blob things above the stars and below "STATES OF" on the reverse?

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    CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd say anywhere from XF-45 to AU-50, if it grades. Looks like the reverse has been cleaned/wiped. I see what appears to be wipe lines in the star field. The "mushy" things above the stars are clouds.

    'dude

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @KindaNewish said:
    kind of off topic, but I am still learning. What do we call those mushy blob things above the stars and below "STATES OF" on the reverse?

    A rendition of clouds.

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,061 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks harshly cleaned to me.

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    REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2017 10:03AM

    Here's a 2nd set to chew on. Which variety (large/small stars) and B number is this example?
    I will post a 3rd set to reveal that somewhat interesting detail.


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    PQueuePQueue Posts: 901 ✭✭✭

    Small stars, BD-7.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would say... if they ignore the cleaning and the hit - possible due to what the coin is - then XF40/45.... hard to say on this one...Cheers, RickO

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    I would say... if they ignore the cleaning and the hit - possible due to what the coin is - then XF40/45.... hard to say on this one...Cheers, RickO

    I suspect that you and I are "oldtimers." I agree with the XF grade but I'll bet it is in an AU slab! IMO, AU-50 would have been a better grade as it would have made more of the conservative guessers (like me) happy.

    So, I'll guess AU-55 Cleaned or AU-50 straight grade. I hope it is "detailed."

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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 17, 2017 9:23AM

    @KindaNewish said:
    kind of off topic, but I am still learning. What do we call those mushy blob things above the stars and below "STATES OF" on the reverse?

    Read more :) Spend hour upon hour looking at pictures in the Heritage Auction Archives ;)

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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    45-53, no bean

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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    EF40 BLUE BEAN

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    REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Finale posted on the OP

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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Relieved :o

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    skier07skier07 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would crack the coin out and send it to NGC

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    REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 21, 2017 4:47AM

    I

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Since PCGS does not state the reason for the 98 how could we know. It might be the rim ding on the reverse at 6 in addition to the dig on the obverse. Or maybe a spot or planchet streak removed that we just can't see.
    I think it is a lovely coin but cannot argue with PCGS.

    bob

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