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MS63 Toned Barber Qtr & Scratch

NumivenNumiven Posts: 377 ✭✭✭
edited September 24, 2017 6:50PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Here is a toned 1893 Barber quarter. The reverse toning is beautiful. A scratch is distracting though. There is an angled scratch seen well on back of Liberty head. It appears to be dark scratch on a dark surface on normal light angle (holding in hands, pic1), but when light is pointed on it (on an angle), it looks in silver color, like a scrape (pic 2).

As a YN, this will be my only Barber quarter for my US type collection. Paid high $300s

  1. Will this straight grade crossover or better at PCGS?
  2. Should I do better than this?
  3. BTW it's a MS63 in old fatty/soapbox NGC holder

The Scratch:

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,062 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Should it straight grade?
    I don't think so.

    Will it straight grade?
    It is like flipping a coin.

    Can you do better?
    Yes. I would submit it under the guarantee to see what NGC says.

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    NumivenNumiven Posts: 377 ✭✭✭
    edited September 24, 2017 5:12PM

    its currently in an old NGC soapbox holder.

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,062 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll play devil's advocate. The coin looks scratched/gouged to me, but does anyone think it could be a strike through? It would be difficult to miss something like that in grading.

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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the coin would be netted down 1-2 pts for the scratch, and still get a grade.

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    ldhairldhair Posts: 7,124 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Still a really nice coin.

    Larry

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    BruceSBruceS Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58 with the scratch. Paid for the color I assume. Pretty rev.


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    NumivenNumiven Posts: 377 ✭✭✭

    Whats the chance this might crossover on same grade at the host?

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not a fan of this coin at MS63 in a holder, out of a holder or anywhere else for someone who is stretching to buy it or will use it as their lone representative of type.

    The obverse is quite deeply toned with somewhat muted luster, but there are also myriad cuts and scrapes along the portrait. I realize these will be tougher to see in-hand than in a large image, but the coin is already at the MS63 or so level even without considering the enormous staple scratch in the left obverse field. I would suggest you keep looking.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This will not cross at PCGS....That scratch...likely a staple scratch... will probably bring it down considerably...You should get another coin... that scratch will always become a focal point ...Cheers, RickO

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you can afford it, it is best to not buy coins that are damaged in any way. No funny comments about 1804 dollars with dinged rims to make a ridiculous point in disagreement. :(

    Your coin has a deep scratch. It was NOT made with a staple as those are very thin and very rarely deep. You can imitate one by lightly scratching the surface of a cent with a pin. I'd leave the coin as is. IMO, once out of the holder there is a 70% chance it will not straight grade.

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,905 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 25, 2017 12:24PM

    That is a beautiful reverse! I don't think that it would straight grade, which is a shame on that OBV scratch. The color is a plus, but a loss for the potential "details" moniker. If the scratch was dark like the first image all of the time, then it would be considered an older scratch and may move their hand slightly in favor of a straight grade. But, since it is reflective silver in the light it is a more recent scratch. I think that it is too deep for a staple scratch. I would leave it in the present holder and get your money back if you can.

    If you are determined to send to our host, ask for ANY grade. If it won't garner a numerical grade (non-details) they won't crack it and it will be returned to you as DNC.

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd say that Barber quarters aren't terribly rare in this price range. Take your time and find a nice one without the distraction.

    This is one of those coins that will be much easier to buy than sell and it doesn't have that much to do with the grade on the holder. At any price point there are coins that people will fall over themselves to buy. Go find one of those.

    All of that aside, in general, if you need a coin in a particular holder buy the coin in that holder, especially when the coin inside isn't terribly rare. With shipping, grading fees, etc, the crackout / crossover game is a losing proposition with much more downside than upside potential.

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Staple scratch on Liberty's cheek.

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,150 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2017 5:21PM

    ** I would leave it in the present holder and get your money back if you can.**
    I agree with oih.....I don't know if it's too late to return it or not.
    I would not send it to PCGS.....even if by some miracle it does cross at grade, it will STILL have that scratch, which I assume is beginning to bother you, and will continue to do so.
    Don't sink more $ into a coin you likely aren't happy with - but it does have nice color, and the reverse is lovely, so it's up to you.
    Best of luck to you, regardless -

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