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1795 off-center draped bust dollar "vampire" counterfeit
ArizonaRareCoins
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This counterfeit 1795 dollar has been bid-up over $3000:
Here's the listing to this "vampire" counterfeit. The counterfeit can be easily detected by the 2 fangs at lady liberty's neck:
ebay.com/itm/1795-Draped-Bust-Off-Center-Bust-B-14-BB-51-/122710611533?hash=item1c921f564d:g:CFIAAOSw1HxZvp4f
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"Fang marks," not fangs.
Hard to imagine a collector willing to bid that kind of money on an obvious fake.
It has been taken down.... Fast action... Thanks for the picture capture.....Cheers, RickO
Yes, thank you the images before it was removed...It would nice if more folks did that rather than just a link which could go "poof" at any time.
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@BIGAL2749 said: "Hard to imagine a collector willing to bid that kind of money on an obvious fake.
When these first came out there was nothing "obvious" about them. Today, as you wrote, they look counterfeit to informed collectors/dealers such as yourself.
This fake has been seen for a number of years.
I keep a folder of fake coin images and have two
pics of this one. It is a 1795 B-14 BB-51.
Other things to look for aside from the two dents
in her neck are : a cut in her bodice above the "1"
and a coupled dentil below & right of the "1".
This may be present on a few non fakes also.
The rev. has a round dent beneath E D in united.
There is also a tiny dark dot on the eagles R leg &
a similar dark dot on the upper L leg. There is a
cut mark on the inside L wing slanting to the right,
with a perpendicular cut pointing left off of that.
Both fake coins have a heavy coating of dark coloring
to resemble age & toning.
R.I.P. Bear
I don't collect that series and would have fooled me.
It's the kind of thing that drove me from, "Certified coins are for rich people!", to "I only buy certified coins".
It's a relatively good quality fake. I recall when comparable DBSE $1 fakes started making an enhanced presence on ebay about 10+ yrs ago. Fortunately they used a 1795 off center as the host and didn't realize that was the only year of the off center bust. Many of the auctions were private which made it easier to pull the scam. I watched a 1795 hammer at $10K from a seller in China who had a few of the other dates up as well (with the off center bust). I emailed the seller to send me a 1795, advising that if I liked it, I would pay him. Seller replied that I needed to win an auction and pay first. Having nothing to lose, I replied that the seller dishonored me. That in my country, coins are sent to me and I only pay if I like them. Much to my surprise, I received package from China about 3 weeks later with a 1795 off center fake. Of course I didn't like it enough to pay the scammer. Still have her at home.
Yes, that fake is much too good. In the phony fake toning is obvious, but perhaps it looks worse in person.
@jdillane said: "It's a relatively good quality fake. I recall when comparable DBSE $1 fakes started making an enhanced presence on ebay about 10+ yrs ago. Fortunately they used a 1795 off center as the host and didn't realize that was the only year of the off center bust. Many of the auctions were private which made it easier to pull the scam. I watched a 1795 hammer at $10K from a seller in China who had a few of the other dates up as well (with the off center bust). I emailed the seller to send me a 1795, advising that if I liked it, I would pay him. Seller replied that I needed to win an auction and pay first. HAVING NOTHING TO LOSE, I replied that the seller dishonored me. That in my country, coins are sent to me and I only pay if I like them. Much to my surprise, I received package from China about 3 weeks later with a 1795 off center fake. Of course I didn't like it enough to pay the scammer. Still have her at home."
So you stole his coin? Guess since the coin was bad it was OK to have him pay to send it to you so you could steal it. Perhaps you had something to lose after all.
I remember seeing one of these bust off-center fakes with a 1796 date on it at a local club meeting years ago. The guy got really ticked when I told him it was a counterfeit because the off-center bust variety wasn't made in 1796. Of course he should have known there was a problem since he had bought the piece on the Internet for $200.
gone, but not forgotten
BHNC #203
I will forgive your apparent reading comprehension deficits. Nothing was stolen. I made no promise to pay. I simply "tested" a criminal who thought he had very little to lose by sending me one of his bogus coins. But I'm befuddled that you would choose to sympathize with a Chinese criminal counterfeit operation. That truly is sad.
No fowl if you sent the coin back.
He kept the coin. In "Robin Hood's" mind, stealing from a criminal is not stealing. Now that is what is truly sad.