OT: Was Harvey, now Irma...
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Latest is Cat 4 hits Southern Florida on Sunday. One major model has it running up the Gulf side of Florida, another shows it running up the Atlantic side.
With four days left, if you're in the way and can get out of the way, it might be a really good idea...
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I'm going to have fun giving
Irma a hard time at Long Beach
tomorrow !
She had a gold sticker before there were TPGs
Based on her skill at giving a hard time back, you'll be wiser to coast by Doug's table on a tacquito run and offer.....
Whether you eat tacquitos or not.
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Now a Cat 5..... very nasty storm... and still guessing on where it will hit in the U.S. . Cheers, RickO
Maybe it will veer west and head to Houston or New Orleans?
That's what I was thinking too. It would be a disaster (even more so than if it hit Florida). Houston would flood again and New Orleans is already below sea level. It would make Katrina look like a cake walk.
As of 3:00 p.m. EST, it is listed as 185 mph with a pressure of 920 mb. The pressure has increased slightly, suggesting that it is weakening a bit.
During the Clinton Administration a comprehensive report and recommendations were prepared to mitigate storm flooding throughout the country. A few small communities followed the recommendations and showed substantial improvements and savings of $$ and property. This from simply requiring a one or two foot increase in home slab height (as is now required in Dallas). But Houston, N.O. and most other places just stuck their heads in the sand.
People and organizations simply refuse to learn from past mistakes and disasters. They do not act to mitigate or prevent, then they suffer catastrophic loss when the inevitable storm occurs. The same applies to things like speculation by banks - it will always lead to economic hardship.
These are also the kinds of sequential storms that would have ripped apart Spanish treasure fleets, scattering gold and silver across the sea floor. Anyone have some Spanish treasure coins to show?
Latest track has it entering Southern Florida and travelling up the Atlantic coast, eventually re-entering the warm waters off the coast and hitting landfall again near Georgia/South Carolina.
You're generalizing. A two foot slab increase wouldn't have saved Houston, not with three feet of rain coming down.
And Irma isn't going to be about flooding. They still think Cat 4 when it hits Florida. 185MPH sustained winds (right now) are insane. They recorded gusts of over 220MPH in the atmosphere.
You're correct a small increase of one or two feet would not have made any difference in Houston. It's likely nothing would have prevented the disaster. But it has and will make a lot of difference in most future situations -- which is why Dallas adopted the regulations. Further, many flood-prone areas have 100-year floods of only 1 to 2 feet, which is the dominant case around Dallas -- and many other places both urban and rural.
The point some choose to ignore is that by planning well ahead to mitigate known hazards, everyone gains in security, money saved, and disruptions avoided. That is what the Clinton era report proposed. Of course in Houston, football and baseball stadiums were more important than dam repair and improvement. The losses from having dams topped and massive water release, far exceed any public financial benefit from the city's stadiums. Both might have been and in future can be accomplished, but for profit making sports venues, the private investment must dominate over misappropriation of public funds for private profit -- after all, that is a fundamental conservative approach.
As for the hurricane, just a guess, but the high over Kansas is moving east-south-east which should push Irma easterly after a loop in south Florida. It could easily track the coast then veer off into the Atlantic. Eventually it will be in the British Isles, likely Scotland.....?
Any Spanish treasure fleet coins?
Head west ... tail wind
that's as close as I can relate here.
It's that high that's pushing Irma to the Atlantic coast, but it's not pushing hard enough to make it turn out to sea. Where it will be in 5 days is mostly a guess right now.
I got friends down that way. It would have been more catastrophic if it tracked up the Gulf side of Florida.
Who's Doug? Not feeling this one Man......
Her husband. Doug Winter.
I'm not sure which has been in the business longer.
Known that entire time as Irma Kane, the Hurricane.
I could never live near a coast,,,,,,,,,,,
From sedwickcoins.com/shipwreck_histories/consolacion.htm
Consolación (“Isla de Muerto shipwreck”), sunk in 1681 off Santa Clara Island, Ecuador (PIRATED WRECK)
When salvage first began on this wreck in 1997, it was initially believed to be the Santa Cruz and later called El Salvador y San José, sunk in August of 1680; but research by Robert Marx after the main find in subsequent years confirmed its proper name and illuminated its fascinating history.
Intended to be part of the Spanish “South Seas Fleet” of 1681, which left Lima’s port of Callao in April, the Consolación apparently was delayed and ended up traveling alone. At the Gulf of Guayaquil, off modern-day Ecuador, the Consolación encountered English pirates, led by Bartholomew Sharpe, who forced the Spanish galleon to sink on a reef off Santa Clara Island (later nicknamed “Isla de Muerto,” or Dead Man’s Island). Before the pirates could get to the ship, the crew set fire to her and tried to escape to the nearby island without success. Angered by the inability to seize the valuable cargo of the Consolación, Sharpe’s men killed the Spaniards and tried in vain to recover the treasure through the efforts of local fishermen. Spanish attempts after that were also fruitless, so the treasure of the Consolación sat undisturbed until our time.
When vast amounts of silver coins were found in the area starting in the 1990s, eventually under agreement between local entrepreneurs Roberto Aguirre and Carlos Saavedra and the government of Ecuador in 1997, the exact name and history of the wreck were unknown, and about 8,000 of the coins (all Potosķ silver cobs) were subsequently sold at auction by Spink New York in December, 2001, as simply “Treasures from the ‘Isla de Muerto’”. Most of the coins offered were of low quality and poorly preserved but came with individually numbered photo-certificates. Later, after the provenance had been properly researched, and utilizing better conservation methods, a Florida syndicate arranged to have ongoing finds from this wreck permanently encapsulated in hard-plastic holders by the authentication and grading firm ANACS, with the wreck provenance clearly stated inside the “slab”; more recent offerings have bypassed this encapsulation. Ongoing salvage efforts have good reason to be hopeful, as the manifest of the Consolación stated the value of her registered cargo as 146,000 pesos in silver coins in addition to silver and gold ingots, plus an even higher sum in contraband, according to custom.
I live in southern Maine, about 15 - 20 miles inland from the ocean, so based on the map provided by Backroadjunkie above I don't believe that I have much to worry about. However, two of my sons are directly in the storm's path. My oldest son is a Commander in the Navy, with a squadron of Seahawk helicopters at Mayport Naval Base in Jacksonville. They will likely be on duty with rescue missions through the storm. My youngest son is a fire Captain in Savannah, Georgia, and as such is a first responder. He has sent his wife and children to high ground, inland towards Atlanta, but he will be on rescue duty for the duration of the storm. I wish everyone in the path of Hurricane Irma the very best. Stay safe.
I hope anyone here potentially in harms way is able to avoid the disaster.
Keep an "eye on Jose" .... It's a coming.
Numismatics in the news! How to use a quarter to save your life from a hurricane!
Freeze a cup of water and place a quarter on top of the ice. When you can return to your house if the quarter has sunk to the bottom your food is unsafe, if it's still on top the food is ok. The story didn't say this but I assume it all takes place in your freezer and that the electricity went out long enough to melt stuff and then when the power came back it froze it all up again.
I guess it would be pretty embarazzzing to live thru a hurricane and then give yourself food poisoning.
Successful BST deals with mustangt and jesbroken. Now EVERYTHING is for sale.
Great post and set - I like the old school ANACS holders too
Whatever you are, be a good one. ---- Abraham Lincoln
Irma in size compared to Andrew
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Someone bought an expensive coin and it is almost to Florida. Chances are it doesn't make it, but maybe there is a chance.
Wow. Looks like Irma is going to put the hate on Florida. Looks like it might be destructive all the way up into Atlanta if it tracks a little to the West. When was the last time Atlanta was hit by a hurricane?
One friend of mine in Tampa is bored with all of this. We'll see what he says on Monday. I know a couple of people who work for the Mouse, it's be interesting to see what Disney does to lock down Walt Disney World...
I have co-workers who EVACUATED TO Disney for the weekend!
Other than expensive and with limited activities, I'm told they have impressive infrastructure and backup power systems.
I've got 2 sitting at the Miami international center which should've left 2 days ago and 1 sitting in W. Palm beach that the tracking actually says weather exception.
Glad to see most are showing this storm the caution it merits. Fingers crossed for everyone threatened it decides to wander further East!
RE: "Freeze a cup of water and place a quarter on top of the ice."
The numismatist would insist on using a gold coin. But if it was in a slab would it still function as intended?
Yeah, all of their hotel rooms are essentially concrete boxes, and they run their own power stations. Because they don't want ugly transmission wires hanging off of poles on property (unless the area is themed to have transmission wires), they're all buried underground, so protected from high winds. In the newer resorts where one wall of a guest room is glass, there's even a room that I think was specially made for guests to weather a hurricane. (It's an empty 5'x5' room between the bath and the commode room, with a very heavy doors.
It's the other areas of the park. Most of the place is still swamp and forest, and could be devastated in a cat2/3 type storm. A strong hurricane hasn't been through Orlando in a long time. The underlying structures of the attractions and other buildings in the parks are supposed to be built to withstand the winds, but it's never really been tested...