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Desert Moon

Best, SH

BillDugan1959

Farthing. Photos as an experiment.

brg5658

Stork

Well, I've said I don't collect them but even after 'downsizing' I still have a few. This one would be in my 'box of 20' if I had one.

Desert Moon

Stunners all!

Desert Moon

Best, SH

BillDugan1959

Well, that last one requires some explanation of the subject matter.

I read the Wikipedia article on 1794 Treason trials, but the identity of the person on the token and the meaning of the reverse are still unclear. Thomas Spence?

I suppose I can dig out my reprint of Dalton & Hammer.

Desert Moon

Iit is supposed to be Thomas Spence, his profile turns up alot on 'SPENCE' tokens with the prisoner protest.

Best, SH

Justacommeman

mark

Justacommeman

TheDukeK

Desert Moon

Those are some crazy good tokens Mark!

Best, SH

brg5658

rwyarmch

Staffordshire 28, Lichfield, a farthing token depicting a "field of the dead" based on an unsupported legend.

From Wiki - "Popular etymology has it that a thousand Christians were martyred in Lichfield around 300 AD during the reign of Diocletian and that the name Lichfield actually means "field of the dead" (see lich). There is no evidence to support this legend."

The terms of payment for this token are unusual, specifying not only where the token can be redeemed but on what day.

Desert Moon

great token, great story!

lava

Please post your conder tokens in the new registry set created for such tokens. It's a great set.

lava

By the way, the set can be found under multi-country type sets.

Desert Moon

Hello lava,
I don't see such, how about supplying a link? Also, don't all items in a PCGS registry have to be graded by PCGS? I have primarily NGC graded Conder tokens.

Desert Moon

lava

I Tried and failed. Just go to
SetRegistry
multi-country
multi-country-type-sets
british-irish-scottish-conder-token-type
You should it there

Desert Moon

Thanks!

Yarm

Oops

rwyarmch

NGC MS66BN

Desert Moon

very nice token!

rwyarmch

Middlesex 24 penny bronzed, copper and silver (?).

The last token is a uniface example which the seller described as "nickel?"

theboz11

RMW

WOW!

Jackthecat1

That Pidcock's token is just incredible.

Desert Moon

Here is another.....

Best, SH

RMW

And another beaut!

rwyarmch

Nice Pidcocks!

Desert Moon

brg5658

Desert Moon

Nice Brandon!

coinsarefun

rwyarmch

Spence's Spaniard, Middlesex 896 (He belongs on the reverse per D&H.)

Desert Moon

giorgio11

This is the only Conder token I currently have, but it's a nice one.

Two Missing Conder Tokens

I "bought" two others from some fine gentlemen here, and the Priority Mail package disappeared at my local Post Office. There's still a slight chance that it is misplaced, I suppose, but I think the greater odds are that someone "disappeared it" out of the Postal Service. I was getting an infected tooth pulled when the mail carrier left the ticket in my box, and transposed two numbers on the pickup ticket he left in the box. Hmmm. That could be an innocent mistake, or not.

These are the seller's images, below. I did call the local bricks-and-mortar coin dealer (a fine and completely upstanding fellow) to alert him to the situation in case someone strolled in with two MS64BN PCGS Conder tokens, but a thief would have to be monumentally stupid to do that (not saying that that is outside the realm of possibility; most thieves are not overbright IMHO).

Anyway. I hate it not only because I was looking forward to adding these two beautifully toned Conder tokens to our inventory, but also because an ordinary thief is not going to know what the heck these are. I guess that's a good thing in that they would not be melted like bullion, but still, it's a shame for such historic coins to go missing. I (and the sellers as well, I'm sure) would appreciate it if you Conder aficionados would be on the lookout for these pieces.

Warwickshire Birmingham Halfpenny Token DH-50 MS64 BN PCGS

Wiltshire Conder Token DH-4 MS64BN PCGS

Kind regards,

George

coinsarefun

Wow, that sucks George....... I sure hope they surface for you as they are 2 beautiful examples.

Stork

That is disappointing! So, if the USPS had to pay a claim to the sender(s) (assuming it was insured), and the package reemerges from wherever it landed, who gets to keep the conders? It would be awful if they ended up in a 'well I guess we own it now' USPS warehouse somewhere.

giorgio11

The sellers had private insurance, they tell me, and we are fine between us. They still have rightful claim to the presumably stolen coins. No need to go further down that road.

George

BillDugan1959

Very nice condors, especially #1 and (the sadly missing) #3.

Guildhall was nearly totally destroyed during the Second World War, but it was rebuilt and a lot of the exterior stonework seems to have been saved and reused. Beautiful token. A bit jealous, actually.

giorgio11

Thank you BillDugan1959 but I have to remind you, condor is a bird, Mr. Conder was among the earliest (or possibly the earliest?) catalogers of this wonderful token series that bears his name. Glad you like it! On #3, I was particularly struck by the sculptural artistry of the design, Fame blowing a trumpet. The artist had to do a lot of deep die work to get all that detail on the gown, feathers, and all those tiny rectangles on the reverse in the windows. That is another reason I lament its loss. This is true numismatic art.

I always wondered why the EAC (Early American Copper) collectors have not latched on to the contemporaneous Conder tokens. They are rare, spectacular early copper "coin" substitutes (I think of them as "notgeld" or emergency money, as the earliest pieces were issued due to an abundant supply of copper from Wales coupled with the British regent's resistance to putting the Regal visage on so ignoble a metal as copper; a situation alleviated by the copper pence and twopence Soho Mint issues of 1797), and if they were U.S. coins their value would probably be a hundredfold greater.

Kind regards,

George

BillDugan1959

@giorgio11

I'll blame spellchecker - it is just about to destroy my computer.

There seem to be a fair number of copper and conder collectors who see the British Patriotic/National tokens of this era as the earliest form of "NCLT" and who boycott them as a form of snootiness. There was a pretty good book on Tradesmen's half penny tokens recently, and it totally rejected anything that didn't reference an issuer who stood ready or likely to redeem them (even if only in theory). That rejection had more than just to do with a book title or categorization as I read the book's preface.

I am glad that these people feel this way, as it reduces the demand (and presumably the price) for historic pieces that I find rather attractive.

Stork

@giorgio11 said:
The sellers had private insurance, they tell me, and we are fine between us. They still have rightful claim to the presumably stolen coins. No need to go further down that road.

George

I just meant I didn't want the USPS to ever 'own' them, or for that matter, the private insurer. I wonder if there is a way to redeem previously lost/compensated for items from an insurance company??? Hmm, food for thought. Seems like the insurance company would do better to give the paid off person right of first refusal. Might save a ton when trying to recoup costs.

Needless to say, lovely conder tokens. Spellcheck is a beast. Occasionally helpful but oft times a real nuisance (yet can't fix 'nuisance' without help)!

giorgio11

@Stork I'm not a lawyer and don't know the legal intricacies, but it's my impression and belief that insurance companies would be more interested in recouping their money than in owning Conder tokens.

@coinsarefun Stefanie I checked out your Conder album, sure some pretty pieces in there including one of Mr. Conder's issues! Great-looking set!

Kind regards,

George

Desert Moon

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brg5658

My avatar here, suppose I should post it. Now resides in an NGC MS63BN holder. One of the coolest uses of edge lettering I have ever seen.

WildIdea

Here’s my contribution to this thread.
I’d have to look it up but someone around 2010, while attending the ANA summer seminar intermediate coin grading class, one of the instructors Jerry Bobby said any copper weenies wanted to stay after class could stick around and talk copper. About 3 of us did. 20 in class. We went over problems and colors thet are acceptable etc. needless to say, I slammed my wallet shut after that week!! It really helped my collecting for the better making future purchases more enjoyable, but that’s really another topic. I bought this piece from Jerry that weekend.
I don’t know a ton about Conders and don’t collect them for more than their beauty and subject matter. This piece spoke to me basically for its surfaces and color. I don’t know really the intentions of the coiners as to Proof non proof, maybe one of you guys could enlighten me. I’m sure Jerry knew but there was so much coming at me that week it’s still being processed!! Anyway, the tokens color is dark chocolate brown, so neat to me. I just love it.

giorgio11

Very nice Conder token @WildIdea, thanks for sharing your story!

Kind regards,

George

WildIdea

Here is another one I pulled out to show.
FUN show Tampa one year. I was taken by the high detail on this one and it’s amoubt of remaining RED was a plus. I refer to it as my Bilbo Baggins although it actually appears to be a sheep herder lol. I’ve seen many different parings of each of these dies.
the Spence die is pretty neat too.