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Carson City find in England - Grade Posted

BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited September 26, 2017 11:50AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I spent the morning at the Birmingham coin fair in the UK about an 1:30hr drive south of my house. Normally it is the same stuff from the same dealers but I lucked out today with a roughly $40 purchase of a tough 1872-CC half dollar located in a stack of trays. The reverse has some scratches but I'd assume a straight grade at VG something.

Also saw a decent 1793 Wreath cent vine and bars which would have gone F15 or so, a load of generic white Morgans, worn large cents and a few pieces of generic US gold.

I also bought some really nice red British copper but I'll spare that on the liteside forum.


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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,561 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice old CC...that has seen a lot of commerce - and miles.... Across the U.S., across the Atlantic... May even have been to Europe.... Cheers, RickO

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    CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    40$ equals amazing

    But it shouldn't grade but VG10 details with a value close to VG8 levels

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,150 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice score!
    Was the wreath cent bargain priced too?

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    Nice score!
    Was the wreath cent bargain priced too?

    Not 7500 quid so $9800

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,150 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ahh - yeah, not so much LOL.

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    grade posted

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2017 12:05PM

    Did they not look at the reverse?

    Edited to add: Congrats!

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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,147 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm a bit surprised

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    northcoinnorthcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2017 12:20PM

    @cmerlo1 said:
    Did they not look at the reverse?

    Edited to add: Congrats!

    I actually like the reverse better than the obverse. The scratches look very light and appear to be from honest wear rubbing against keys in a pocket or such and don't really detract until one blows up the size of the photo.

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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,891 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @northcoin said:

    @cmerlo1 said:
    Did they not look at the reverse?

    Edited to add: Congrats!


    I actually like the reverse better than the obverse. The scratches look very light and appear to be from honest wear rubbing against keys in a pocket or such and don't really detract until one blows up the size of the photo.

    I've gotten details grades for a lot less than that...

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    TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cmerlo1 said:

    I've gotten details grades for a lot less than that...

    "Rarity Blinders"?

    Easily distracted Type Collector
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll bet that one never gets cracked out.

    All glory is fleeting.
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    YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 4,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice score!

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    Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sweet! Did you use PCGS Paris? Do they send the coins back to the US for grading?

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2017 1:21PM

    @Wabbit2313 said:
    Sweet! Did you use PCGS Paris? Do they send the coins back to the US for grading?

    Paris... economy submission. Handed the coins off Saturday, graded Tuesday. Epic service.

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    mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool find!

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    CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow. You got a nice gift.

    The more you VAM..
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    goldengolden Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That coin should not have straight graded.

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those reverse marks seem to be very light, as they barely show on the raised devices. I think the dirt in them just makes them more visible. I think the graders made a judgement call and I tend to agree with them. It's very cool what you run across in Europe.

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    au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭

    This coin is a F-12 with graffiti. Those scratches were deliberate.

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    au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭

    @northcoin said:

    @cmerlo1 said:
    Did they not look at the reverse?

    Edited to add: Congrats!


    I actually like the reverse better than the obverse. The scratches look very light and appear to be from honest wear rubbing against keys in a pocket or such and don't really detract until one blows up the size of the photo.

    @northcoin said:

    @cmerlo1 said:
    Did they not look at the reverse?

    Edited to add: Congrats!


    I actually like the reverse better than the obverse. The scratches look very light and appear to be from honest wear rubbing against keys in a pocket or such and don't really detract until one blows up the size of the photo.

    The scratches extend into the eagle's neck, wings, and the shield.
    The scratches are mostly horizontal.
    A pocket piece might show random marks, but on both sides.
    Again, this coin was deliberately defaced.

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    OwenSeymourOwenSeymour Posts: 366 ✭✭✭✭

    Don't take it personal, but I'm honestly captivated that straight graded

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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 28, 2017 6:41AM

    The coins semi-sucks. Certainly worth a "You Suck" ;)

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    skier07skier07 Posts: 3,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good clean living

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    joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Im just shocked. I really want to see this coin in hand to determine how deep those scratches are. I know you know your coins and you stated in the op you thought it would still grade, but tough coin or not, from just the first set of pics this is a disservice to the grading companies and another coin that undermines pcgs graders.

    may the fonz be with you...always...
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    northcoinnorthcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2017 11:18PM

    @au58 said:

    @northcoin said:

    @cmerlo1 said:
    Did they not look at the reverse?

    Edited to add: Congrats!


    I actually like the reverse better than the obverse. The scratches look very light and appear to be from honest wear rubbing against keys in a pocket or such and don't really detract until one blows up the size of the photo.

    @northcoin said:

    @cmerlo1 said:
    Did they not look at the reverse?

    Edited to add: Congrats!


    I actually like the reverse better than the obverse. The scratches look very light and appear to be from honest wear rubbing against keys in a pocket or such and don't really detract until one blows up the size of the photo.

    The scratches extend into the eagle's neck, wings, and the shield.
    The scratches are mostly horizontal.
    A pocket piece might show random marks, but on both sides.
    Again, this coin was deliberately defaced.

    OK, I guess it is possible that someone who hated the U.S. living abroad deliberately defaced the American Eagle, but I still contend that the scratches are minimal when viewed with the eye not using magnification. Just compare the normal sized and exploded size views offered by the OP. It is my understanding that PCGS graders do not use magnification in grading so it is not all that surprising that this straight graded - especially as a VG coin and not one that was mint state.

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joebb21 said:
    Im just shocked. I really want to see this coin in hand to determine how deep those scratches are. I know you know your coins and you stated in the op you thought it would still grade, but tough coin or not, from just the first set of pics this is a disservice to the grading companies and another coin that undermines pcgs graders.

    I'll send you the coin to check out on the condition that you help me sell it.

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    RB1026RB1026 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin! The scratches don't bother me. Congrats!

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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joebb21 said:
    Im just shocked. I really want to see this coin in hand to determine how deep those scratches are. I know you know your coins and you stated in the op you thought it would still grade, but tough coin or not, from just the first set of pics this is a disservice to the grading companies and another coin that undermines pcgs graders.

    A disservice to the grading companies? If their credibility has been affected, the graders were wielding the shovel.

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    pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭

    @joebb21 said:
    Im just shocked. I really want to see this coin in hand to determine how deep those scratches are. I know you know your coins and you stated in the op you thought it would still grade, but tough coin or not, from just the first set of pics this is a disservice to the grading companies and another coin that undermines pcgs graders.

    Is that the same coin in the PCGS plastic? I thought you put the slabbed coin up as a comparison. If they are the same coin, I agree fully with @joebb21.

    Paul
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    joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ColonelJessup said:

    @joebb21 said:
    Im just shocked. I really want to see this coin in hand to determine how deep those scratches are. I know you know your coins and you stated in the op you thought it would still grade, but tough coin or not, from just the first set of pics this is a disservice to the grading companies and another coin that undermines pcgs graders.

    A disservice to the grading companies? If their credibility has been affected, the graders were wielding the shovel.

    When i am looking to buy a pcgs certified coin I imagine that the coin inside is relatively problem free. Once again I have not seen this coin in hand and boosibri is no slouch to coins and he believed the coin should grade as well, but the seeming large amounts of scratches on the reverse make me wonder how on earth this coin could be called problem free and not "scratched" or "grafiti"

    When problem coins in graded holders sell at large auctions they usually bring 60-80% of the going rate of a non problem example. The new auction result is then published for all to see and greysheet sees this new low and drops their bid 20%-40% believing that the new market is now 20%-40% lower because of the price realized. We have all seen this happen hundreds of times.

    If somebody sent me an email saying "hi, I have an 1872-cc 50c pcgs vg10 how much would you pay?" I would probably say $300-$325 sight unseen because I "know" pcgs is weeding out problem coins. seeing coins like this (based on pictures alone) make me less aggressive sight unseen as I really dont know if the coin is problem free or not. Hence-lowering the value of the brand

    may the fonz be with you...always...
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,513 ✭✭✭✭✭

    nice seated half :)

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    jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,077 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Meanwhile my simple re-holder was received on the 20th, and still no updates....

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