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  • VintagemanEdVintagemanEd Posts: 928 ✭✭✭

    Any info/prices from Sunday? Or more details on Saturday for that matter?

  • jsanzjsanz Posts: 250 ✭✭

    I'm really curious too. Did anyone go to this auction? Why so quiet? I'm not coming to bid against you.

    Love those 70's - early 80's packs and boxes...send me a message if you are selling because I am buying
  • Schultz24Schultz24 Posts: 202 ✭✭

    @belz said:
    I found out last night I won a couple lots and they were the ones I wanted most which was incredibly surprising and super cool. I'll post pictures when I verify and pick them up.

    So what did you get???

  • VintagemanEdVintagemanEd Posts: 928 ✭✭✭

    Come on guys!!! Details!

  • Based on the comments on the Net54 board, there weren't many deals to be had on either day. Sounds like most things were selling for more than retail. But, since the auction house is not really well versed in sports cards, and due to the sheer volume of the collection, there had to have been a few "gems" slip through the cracks (maybe tough inserts, obscure issues, etc.).

    Who knows what is in the future auctions they have scheduled from the collection.

  • I spent 3 days at this auction. On Friday I looked at the approximate 800 lots that were being offered on Saturday and Sunday. Leaving Sunday my overall opinion was amazement as the prices paid were at or above retail for 95% of the items being offered.

    At the start of the auction there were about 125-150 people being represented from locals along with several dealers flying in. Saturdays auction was the better of the 2 days with about 450 lots that went from 12-8:30pm. I did not have a lot of interest in the publications and non cards but according to people in the know, those items much like the cards and were overbid.

    The overall condtion of the card lots were not in too great of shape with the only exception being he Hull rookie which was maybe a 5 but still went for $1700+ as I recall. Put in the 15% buyers premium and you are close to 2k.

    For unopened collectors, there were absolutely 0 deals to be had. BBCE was outbid As prices were going for more than EBay......very strang. The unopened collectors in the room like myself couldn't believe the prices being paid for miswrapped boxes and packs being sold.

    All in all there was no opportunity to flip the items based on the prices being paid. After speaking to the auctioneer(Ron) most of the high bidders were just local collectors who attend their weekly auctions but these bidders were spending 20k+ on items that had no upside.

    It was a long and interesting couple of days but in the end I spent less than 2k.

  • jsanzjsanz Posts: 250 ✭✭

    Thanks for the update. This thread has held my interest since it was posted. The stuff being auctioned looked too good to be true. I can't believe items are going above retail. I thought someone would grab some amazing items at decent prices. That's too bad for the buyers looking for a deal but I guess that means the unopened market is strong so that is good.

    Love those 70's - early 80's packs and boxes...send me a message if you are selling because I am buying
  • belzbelz Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭

    @Schultz24 said:

    @belz said:
    I found out last night I won a couple lots and they were the ones I wanted most which was incredibly surprising and super cool. I'll post pictures when I verify and pick them up.

    So what did you get???

    I apologize for jumping the gun as there were others involved and it wouldn't be fair or appropriate at this time to share in a public forum. Down the road I'll give my asessment and opinions on the estate sale along with some pictures.

    "Wots Uh The Deal" by Pink Floyd
  • BeRoyalKCBeRoyalKC Posts: 413 ✭✭

    @belz said:

    @Schultz24 said:

    @belz said:
    I found out last night I won a couple lots and they were the ones I wanted most which was incredibly surprising and super cool. I'll post pictures when I verify and pick them up.

    So what did you get???

    I apologize for jumping the gun as there were others involved and it wouldn't be fair or appropriate at this time to share in a public forum. Down the road I'll give my asessment and opinions on the estate sale along with some pictures.

    Well I'd love to hear your assessment and see some pictures so if you feel now is not the time for some reason to do it publicly feel free to PM me.

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,690 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 31, 2017 7:03AM

    @CrissCriss said:
    And if you sell those box by box, they will go for 20-30% less than 2-3 years ago.

    Emotion gets the better of people when a lot of good stuff is sold together. It's like being in a bar full of hot girls.

    That's one way to spin it. The other is the realty that the market remains strong as ever for many items, as Reed reported firsthand. (Unless you are asserting his account was false.) Even the prices that have come off their highs are 2-3x higher than they were 6-7 years ago, while the tougher issues are even higher than they were 2-3 years ago. Quality will always command a premium.



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,690 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 31, 2017 12:29PM

    @CrissCriss said:
    What do 78 baseball rack boxes sell for now compared to 2014? I'll hang up and listen.

    More telling, about 300% higher than they were in 2010. See, I can cherry pick, too, lol..



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • dmurphy3mvpdmurphy3mvp Posts: 264 ✭✭✭

    I know why the 1978 Topps Baseball Rack market is the way it is, but don't really feel like sharing those reasons just yet. However, since you think you know everything, your question was likely rhetorical.

    Reed Kasaoka
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  • SdubSdub Posts: 736 ✭✭✭

    based on supply, I can't see how the '78 rack box is going down. There is zilch boxes for sale. I know individual racks are cheaper this year, but those are plentiful compared to a sealed box. If someone has a sealed '78 rack box and believes it's down 20-30% from last year as Crisscross says, PM me and I'll buy it now before it goes down further.

    I noticed the '78 Murray 10 is going for $13K; ouch.

    Collecting PSA 9's from 1970-1977. Raw 9's from 72-77. Raw 10's from '78-'83.
    Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
    Prefer to buy in bulk.
  • DarinDarin Posts: 7,023 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm still feeling the pain on missing out on the 78 rack box from the group break, this
    talk is doing nothing to relieve the pain. LOL.

    I have bought several 78 racks off ebay in the last few years, I do have one with a nicely centered
    Trammell on top, plus a Brett on top I bought at the same time. Still have two from a group break
    we did a few years ago, was hoping to add a couple more to go along with them.

  • 1all1all Posts: 511 ✭✭✭

    @dmurphy3mvp said:
    I know why the 1978 Topps Baseball Rack market is the way it is, but don't really feel like sharing those reasons just yet. However, since you think you know everything, your question was likely rhetorical.

    Such a tease!

  • SdubSdub Posts: 736 ✭✭✭

    Anyone know if this item sold? how much? Photo shows it in the 8/26 auction.

    Collecting PSA 9's from 1970-1977. Raw 9's from 72-77. Raw 10's from '78-'83.
    Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
    Prefer to buy in bulk.
  • Is that the 87 OPC case or the 86? If itwas the 87 it was about $40$45/box if I recall and was won by BBCE

  • SdubSdub Posts: 736 ✭✭✭

    @cardman2020 said:
    Is that the 87 OPC case or the 86? If itwas the 87 it was about $40$45/box if I recall and was won by BBCE

    No, it's the '77 wax box case

    Collecting PSA 9's from 1970-1977. Raw 9's from 72-77. Raw 10's from '78-'83.
    Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
    Prefer to buy in bulk.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,690 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 7, 2017 9:31PM

    @Sdub said:

    @cardman2020 said:
    Is that the 87 OPC case or the 86? If itwas the 87 it was about $40$45/box if I recall and was won by BBCE

    No, it's the '77 wax box case

    The case in that photo is not a 77 wax case. A 77 wax case contained 16 boxes.

    ETA: Here is a pic of a 77 wax case:



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • I was there too and these were '86 and '87 OPC cases. True that BBCE got them IIRC, dont remember how much though.

  • JWBlueJWBlue Posts: 489 ✭✭✭

    What is Steve going to do with the 1984 Fleer Update case?

  • SdubSdub Posts: 736 ✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:

    @Sdub said:

    @cardman2020 said:
    Is that the 87 OPC case or the 86? If itwas the 87 it was about $40$45/box if I recall and was won by BBCE

    No, it's the '77 wax box case

    The case in that photo is not a 77 wax case. A 77 wax case contained 16 boxes.

    ETA: Here is a pic of a 77 wax case:

    Thanks Tim. I re-read the thread and see that I was in error.

    Collecting PSA 9's from 1970-1977. Raw 9's from 72-77. Raw 10's from '78-'83.
    Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
    Prefer to buy in bulk.
  • JWBlueJWBlue Posts: 489 ✭✭✭

    I can see why some of these items went above retail. They are more likely to be genuine unopened.

    After BBCE there are few sellers as trustworthy.

  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
    edited September 8, 2017 3:03PM

    @JWBlue said:
    What is Steve going to do with the 1984 Fleer Update case?

    I've been waiting for this to be asked. Great question. I've been waiting for an unopened, cards never touched, box to hit the secondary market for about a decade now and would pay a big premium for a set of that caliber.

    I heard rumors years ago that certain sets in the production run (it was a small production run), had little pieces of tape sealing the sets. Is that true? Or were all sets not sealed in anyway during the production run?

    That makes it harder to tell if sets from this year were opened or not unless you have strong provenance like a find like this. Any help is appreciated guys.

    Always looking for OPC "tape intact" baseball wax boxes, and 1984 OPC baseball PSA 10's for my set. Please PM or email me if you have any available.
  • jfkheatjfkheat Posts: 2,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't recall Fleer using tape to seal the update sets. Topps did.
    James

  • JWBlueJWBlue Posts: 489 ✭✭✭

    I received an email from Steve. 1984 Fleer Update set case is sold.

  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭

    Looks like more hopeful searching.

    Always looking for OPC "tape intact" baseball wax boxes, and 1984 OPC baseball PSA 10's for my set. Please PM or email me if you have any available.
  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭

    The 80's get a bad rap...mostly mid-late 80's, but no one can tell me that certain sets/cards are not hard to find. I'm a child collector from that era, and since being back in the hobby since 2007, I've been looking for certain things from that era and have never seen them come to market. It is what it is, but the 80's are underrated whether one wants to crap on that decade or not.

    Always looking for OPC "tape intact" baseball wax boxes, and 1984 OPC baseball PSA 10's for my set. Please PM or email me if you have any available.
  • baz518baz518 Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭✭

    @JWBlue said:
    I received an email from Steve. 1984 Fleer Update set case is sold.

    Sounds like prime product for 4SC.

  • secretstashsecretstash Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 8, 2017 4:42PM

    @baz518 said:

    @JWBlue said:
    I received an email from Steve. 1984 Fleer Update set case is sold.

    Sounds like prime product for 4SC.

    We should see many PSA 8 and 9 lookalikes appear as 10s soon!

    xD

  • Gemyanks10Gemyanks10 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭
    edited September 8, 2017 5:43PM

    @secretstash said:

    @baz518 said:

    @JWBlue said:
    I received an email from Steve. 1984 Fleer Update set case is sold.

    Sounds like prime product for 4SC.

    We should see many PSA 8 and 9 lookalikes appear as 10s soon!

    xD

    Too bad......would they have been better cracking the case and selling each set wrapped and from a "FASC" designation? I'm sure Steve thought about that, but I've never seeen 84 Updates sold that way....he could have asked whatever he wanted.

    Always looking for OPC "tape intact" baseball wax boxes, and 1984 OPC baseball PSA 10's for my set. Please PM or email me if you have any available.
  • baz518baz518 Posts: 1,237 ✭✭✭✭

    The 84F Update case was full but not sealed.

  • NJ80sBBCNJ80sBBC Posts: 738 ✭✭✭✭

    True, but perhaps he could have wrapped them with a special designation given the source and sold them individually at a steep premium.

    Then again, no one knows what 4SC (or whomever else if not them) paid for the case.

    Conundrum - Loving my unopened baseball card collection....but really like ripping too
  • JustMarkJustMark Posts: 18 ✭✭
    edited September 15, 2017 2:01PM

    Day three of this auction is tomorrow.

    Link

    51 topps redback boxes will be up in the first hour or two.

  • anyone have any updates as to how this auction went? curious about the 1975 boxes, 1951 boxes and many of the other unopened boxes and cases.

  • jsanzjsanz Posts: 250 ✭✭

    I seems like the people who went to this auction have been very quiet

    Love those 70's - early 80's packs and boxes...send me a message if you are selling because I am buying
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,690 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @djr said:
    This case already hit eBay:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Topps-Baseball-SEALED-Rack-Case-Henderson-3-24ct-981-80-Holy-Grail-/142509852213?hash=item212e3fc635:g:wmwAAOSwQkZZvfnf

    How was pricing? I bet more deals in Auction #3, after so many saw crazy record prices and stayed home.

    Over $200 asking price per 1980 rack..wow!



    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • I was there and am no dealer, but still think the deals were very few and far between. I don't have really good notes, but most of the stuff went for near or above retail IIRC. I'm sure the 1980 cases were nowhere near $15k so if the one on ebay sells, good for them. A couple of things I do remember were that the 1986 Topps FB boxes went for $1300/per, a 1980 Topps FB box went for $425, and a partial (19) box case of 1985 Topps FB (xout) went for $5500. Some of the vintage postcards and autos sold for really high money (9 1908 Rose co postcards were something like $4500). Most of the dealers I talked to were surprised that pretty much everything was going for retail+. One guy who I overheard as just a collector, probably spent $20k just on vintage sets and loose items. There were a lot of nice early bowmans and play ball, but my research and the conditions didn't seem to warrant a lot of the pricing they went for. I am certainly no expert so anyone else please feel to chime in. By the way, none of those prices include the 12.5-15% buyers premium. Thanks

  • So it seems that the consignor may have lucked out by giving the collection to a lesser known auction house who isn't well versed in sports cards and memorabilia.

    Sometimes when bidders think the material isn't sorted, described, or advertised correctly, that they are getting a "deal", even when they are paying more than they would at a major auction house.

    The only advantage that the consignor may have gotten with going with a major auction house, may have been a much lower commission rate. I don't think this auction company had a clue of the collection's value, so they probably charged a full commission rate and other fees to the seller (especially seeing the quantity of material and calculating the amount of work involved).

  • coinspackscoinspacks Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭✭

    @SmithAuctionCo said:
    So it seems that the consignor may have lucked out by giving the collection to a lesser known auction house who isn't well versed in sports cards and memorabilia.

    Sometimes when bidders think the material isn't sorted, described, or advertised correctly, that they are getting a "deal", even when they are paying more than they would at a major auction house.

    The only advantage that the consignor may have gotten with going with a major auction house, may have been a much lower commission rate. I don't think this auction company had a clue of the collection's value, so they probably charged a full commission rate and other fees to the seller (especially seeing the quantity of material and calculating the amount of work involved).

    I think the consignor is deceased. I was under the impression they were selling on behalf of the estate or something like that.

  • SdubSdub Posts: 736 ✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:

    @djr said:
    This case already hit eBay:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Topps-Baseball-SEALED-Rack-Case-Henderson-3-24ct-981-80-Holy-Grail-/142509852213?hash=item212e3fc635:g:wmwAAOSwQkZZvfnf

    How was pricing? I bet more deals in Auction #3, after so many saw crazy record prices and stayed home.

    Over $200 asking price per 1980 rack..wow!

    If this is indicative of the prices at the auction, I would guess there were not any good deals. This same case just sold for $8,400 (includes juice) at Mile HIgh. That would put the '80's higher than 79' and '78 racks. Someone please explain this to me.

    Curious what seller paid for this case at Chicago auction. Does anyone have hammer prices?

    Collecting PSA 9's from 1970-1977. Raw 9's from 72-77. Raw 10's from '78-'83.
    Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
    Prefer to buy in bulk.
  • msassinmsassin Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:

    @djr said:
    This case already hit eBay:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Topps-Baseball-SEALED-Rack-Case-Henderson-3-24ct-981-80-Holy-Grail-/142509852213?hash=item212e3fc635:g:wmwAAOSwQkZZvfnf

    How was pricing? I bet more deals in Auction #3, after so many saw crazy record prices and stayed home.

    Over $200 asking price per 1980 rack..wow!

    As neat as this item is....it will be collecting dust for a long time at that price.

  • SdubSdub Posts: 736 ✭✭✭

    @msassin said:

    @grote15 said:

    @djr said:
    This case already hit eBay:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Topps-Baseball-SEALED-Rack-Case-Henderson-3-24ct-981-80-Holy-Grail-/142509852213?hash=item212e3fc635:g:wmwAAOSwQkZZvfnf

    How was pricing? I bet more deals in Auction #3, after so many saw crazy record prices and stayed home.

    Over $200 asking price per 1980 rack..wow!

    As neat as this item is....it will be collecting dust for a long time at that price.

    I love unopened as much as anyone, but, IMO, after '78, the supply curve is replaced with the cost/supply-of-PSA 9/10s for that year. '80 PSA 10's can be had at a bargin right now; the entire set of 10's is $60K. remove the henderson and you're at $30K. could buy the entire set in 10's without the Henderson (already graded no less) or two of these cases?

    Or, buy the entire set in 9's for $5K. You can get 3 entire sets in psa 9 for the asking price of this case.

    Something has to give here. Either the 9/10's are going to go up; or these cases are going down. Just my 2 cents.

    Collecting PSA 9's from 1970-1977. Raw 9's from 72-77. Raw 10's from '78-'83.
    Collecting Unopened from '72-'83; mostly BBCE certified boxes/cases/racks.
    Prefer to buy in bulk.
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2017 3:08PM

    Bbcex reps were there. I would have thought That took the wind out of any sails hoping to find a score. Unfortunately, not all the stuff will make it to their site, so if someone really wanted a case, they were going to have to pay for it

    Edited: autocorrect

  • The 1980 Case went for $6,750 and the buyer bought 3 cases at that price. I have notes that I will try provide when I have a chance. Not a dealer but I live in the area and will attend the next round as well in October.

  • So I didn't take detailed notes but here are a few hammer prices with the lot description:

    24 wax packs of 1979 Topps Football cards - $500
    Lot of 4 BB wax boxes: 2 82 Donruss, 84 Donruss, 81 Donruss - $325
    Small box of random cards but included 4 or 5 84 Donruss Rack Paks with Mattingly showing in each - $875
    Box of 600 loose 83 Fleer wax packs - $475
    Case 1983 Topps #372-83 - $3,100
    Partial case (18 boxes) of 83 Donruss - $1,100
    Sealed case 1985 Topps #372-85 - $1,900
    Lot of 30 1948 Gum Inc baseball cards - $1,100
    1980 Topps Football wax box - $425
    1975 Topps Mini wax boxes - $2,800 (3 boxes sold at this price each,I believe)
    1975 O-Pee-Chee wax box - $4,200
    1951 Topps Red Back box - $12,000 and $10,000
    1954 Bowman Football wax box - $17,000
    Lot of 62 1949 Bowman baseball - $1,700
    Lot of 10 1941 Gum Inc baseball - $1,250
    Lot of 19 1948 Leaf Baseball - $325
    Lot of 6 1949 Leaf Baseball - $80
    Lot of 93 1940 Gum Inc baseball - $2,500
    Lot of 52 1952 Redman Cards with tabs - $3,000
    Lot of 45 1952 Bowman baseball - $275
    Lot of 263 1951 Bowman baseball - $6,000
    Complete set of 16 1907 Grignon Cubs Baseball postcards - $5,000
    Lot of 12 1939 Playball cards - $2,600
    Lot of 30 1956 Yellow Basepath Pins - $2,800
    Sealed case 1979 Topps Cello Baseball #372-79 $13,500
    Open case of 1979 Topps Rack Paks - $4,500
    Sealed case of 1979 Topps Rack Paks - $5,500
    Open case of 1978 Topps Rack Paks - $5,500
    8 Boxes 1985 Donruss - $425
    10 Boxes 1988 Fleer Basketball - $14,000
    12 Boxes of 1984 Topps Cello boxes - $1,200

    Those are some highlights I wrote down. Sorry for the lack of details and if I made any mistakes.

    Mark

  • coinspackscoinspacks Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭✭

    1954 Bowman fb box is awesome

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    600 1983 fleer wax packs for $475. Isn't that a steel?

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