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1795 half dime - guess the grade

KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 31, 2017 6:25PM in U.S. Coin Forum



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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hard to tell from the pics.
    I'll go first.
    AU55

  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF 40?

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  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 4,104 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS62

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    XF40......Nice old coin... Cheers, RickO

  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,708 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Super nice!
    ill say a 58 or even low ms

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,341 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 1, 2017 4:50AM

    MS

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 1, 2017 4:57AM

    My grade would be AU-50, but since it's probably in an NGC holder, it's probably an AU-55 or 58.

    Some of the design weakness is due to strike, but the coin also has a small rub. It's also been dipped, but that usually doesn't matter so far as the grade is concerned.

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it!

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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU-55, and very nice!

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Treashunt said:
    AU-55, and very nice!

    It's nice, but one of the keys in the AU and Mint State grades is the luster, and looks subdued on this piece, perhaps because it was dipped.

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  • BIGAL2749BIGAL2749 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭✭

    Since I can't grade from photos I'm going to give myself a wide range

    High AU- Low MS

  • CommemDudeCommemDude Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NGC 62

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  • RainbowGraderRainbowGrader Posts: 15 ✭

    AU 55

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU59+

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  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    My grade would be AU-50, but since it's probably in an NGC holder, it's probably an AU-55 or 58.

    Some of the design weakness is due to strike, but the coin also has a small rub. It's also been dipped, but that usually doesn't matter so far as the grade is concerned.

    Isn't it funny that the old and rare get a "pass" on being dipped. TPGs, say it like it is and let the market establish value.
    BTW, I love the coin and its history. AU53 is my guess.

    Paul
  • NumivenNumiven Posts: 377 ✭✭✭

    I see a AU50, if conservatively graded xf45.

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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,579 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Neat coin!

    XF45

    Dave

    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CommemDude said:
    NGC 62

    we have a winnah!

  • RB1026RB1026 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭✭

    Whatever the grade, it's a fabulous coin!

  • CommemDudeCommemDude Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VanHalen got the grade before I did.
    I have sold off several early type coins in NGC holders that have this look; I suspect that my coins were once PCGS 58s that were upgraded

    Dr Mikey
    Commems and Early Type
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pmac said:

    @BillJones said:
    My grade would be AU-50, but since it's probably in an NGC holder, it's probably an AU-55 or 58.

    Some of the design weakness is due to strike, but the coin also has a small rub. It's also been dipped, but that usually doesn't matter so far as the grade is concerned.

    Isn't it funny that the old and rare get a "pass" on being dipped. TPGs, say it like it is and let the market establish value.
    BTW, I love the coin and its history. AU53 is my guess.

    Except this one. NGC put this 1796 half dime in a body bag.


    i was expecting to get a VF-30 out of this. Instead I got nothing.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NGC AU55. Though a 58 grade would not surprise me. The grade would be different if it were PCGS.

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭✭✭

    my guess is 55.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,357 ✭✭✭✭✭

    45... Looks as if it could be an older NGC holder... I suspect it could grade 50 if resubmitted

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  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @VanHalen said:
    MS62

    bingo!

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,219 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is some advice. Don't try and cross it into the same grade.

    Here is a PCGS AU-58. The dealer who brought this coin back from England tried to get it into a Mint State holder a couple of times in the year 2000. Obviously, it didn’t work because Ms. Liberty need to “powder her nose” which is too bright to pass for Unc.

    A London dealer bought this piece from one of those ubiquitous “little old ladies with change purse.”


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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 1, 2017 6:01PM

    Similar situation to an 1803 half dime I had in NGC AU58. Very sharp, no apparent rub on the high points. But certainly lightly cleaned in its past and sporting some field gouges. Only about 15% luster remaining. Boy, was I shocked when the next owner got an NGC MS62 regrade out of it....and upped the value by 50%

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 1, 2017 7:36PM

    200+ year old US coins aren't so much Graded, as Appraised versus their populations.

    This is often very difficult for collectors of more modern coins to understand

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

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