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Contacted the seller and Ebay numerous times regarding the mintmark, which is totally wrong and resembles the one used on the 1878 CC. It's a creation of the counterfeiter, imo not even close to the mm used on the 78 dollar. I wonder if it really sold or did the shiller end up winning? If it was shilled. I believe the MM was added to a genuine 1889 Morgan that has obviously been cleaned or even buffed with a wheel.
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What the MM should look like on a 89CC with wear, not my image.
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Interesting...great observation.
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The lettering looks "funny" which could be indicative of a total "from the ground up" counterfeit, but perhaps the buffing wheel caused that. At any this is not a good item.
I dont understand people who bid up 'key dates' that aren't slabbed.
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The 89CC is a key to the series, not this one though. What I don't understand is who are these bidders? Certainly not informed Morgan collectors.
Letters have that puffy/inflated look that to me suggests a transfer die forgery.
polishing pot metal does not make it look more silver
Clearly a fake, and really polished at that.... I think that adds to the 'puffed' look of the letters... Cheers, RickO
Any one who buys an alleged raw key date Morgan from a pawn shop deserves to pay full tuition. No scholarship here. With luck, the buyer will have a high enough IQ to return this fake diploma.
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Back when I was dealer, a collector - dealer, who took a table at a local show had a raw 1889-CC dollar in VF-20. The coin was attactive and perfect for the grade with no cleaning, but I didn't buy it because I didn't have any customers that I knew who were putting together a set of circualted Morgan Dollars. The price was $400, and the coin eventually sold after a couple shows which involved about a year and a half timeframe.
If you know that you really don't know much about coins, this is a true statement. The only thing that would be motivating you would be greed, thinking that you are beating the pawn shop and getting some sort of a bargain.
I messaged that seller several days ago. The indicated that their "coin" person on staff and three other individuals all determined it was real and polished. I had advised taking to a coin shop but I guess that went nowhere. Sometimes paws know coins and sometimes they don''t.
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How many 89-cc dollars have been polished to the extreme that this coin has? Who would ever do such a thing? It must be an R8 in "fully polished proof like" (FPPL) condition.
In my limited experience with this coin as a dealer filling a want list, the Mint State pieces seem to be P-L or semi P-L. The one I bought for the costomer was only graded MS-61 (his budget), but it was P-L, though not marked as such. It looked okay for the grade with not too many distracting marks.
Yep, it's counterfeit.
Either BS, or the coin experts don't know up from down. I told the seller flat out, no reputable grading service would slab this as genuine, even guaranteed it.
Great find, thanks for posting
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Yet another counterfeit 89CC, it's a no doubter from an arms length away.
Seller ended it after a detailed explanation about the date and MM.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/253018900403?ul_noapp=true