It's a coin I would have loved to own back in the 1960s when I was a new collector. Today, it just strikes me as a problem coin that is never going to find a happy home.
It's hard to dislike an early coin that seems to have only minor issues. If you are concerned about the weakness on the word "UNITED" on the reverse, check out some of the Mint State pieces on the "Coin Facts" site.
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@kaz said:
now I'm wondering if there has been some smoothing or repair work in the right obv field?
I thought about that, but you really need to look at the coin with strong glass in person and perhaps look at some of the 18 or so die states before can condemn the coin absolute. There are multiple pictures of this coin on the "Coin Facts" site.
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I like it, but I'm at F15 -- or maybe VF Details. I'm not an expert in this series but is just seems there is too much general wear and a few little problems (e.g. rim damage/filing above STATES OF) to get it to a solid VF...? Just my 2c.
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@kaz said:
now I'm wondering if there has been some smoothing or repair work in the right obv field?
I thought about that, but you really need to look at the coin with strong glass in person and perhaps look at some of the 18 or so die states before can condemn the coin absolute. There are multiple pictures of this coin on the "Coin Facts" site.
Thanks for the additional information, that's why I posted my concerns as a question rather than as a statement of "fact."
I'm here to learn and appreciate the comments of more learned members.
This is a coin for which I think it really could pay off to submit it to PCGS for grading. There are enough questions raised in the posts above this one to suggest that some people doubt it would receive a straight grade from PCGS. If it were housed in a PCGS VF35 or EF40 holder, the risk to a potential buyer would be perceived as lower, and some of the doubts raised above would be assuaged. As a result, a stronger price would likely be realized when the time comes to sell. If PCGS instead sends it back in a Genuine holder with a problem noted, such as a filed rim or tooling, then you've learned something in the process for a relatively small amount of tuition.
I have a very rare 1797 13 Stars half dime that is in a similar boat. It has a little mark on the rim just like your dime. Most forum members here thought it would grade, as did I. However, both PCGS and NGC called it "damaged" due to the rim mark. Lesson learned.
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Way cool dime
It's a coin I would have loved to own back in the 1960s when I was a new collector. Today, it just strikes me as a problem coin that is never going to find a happy home.
Happy coins deserve more recognition than that.
It's hard to dislike an early coin that seems to have only minor issues. If you are concerned about the weakness on the word "UNITED" on the reverse, check out some of the Mint State pieces on the "Coin Facts" site.
now I'm wondering if there has been some smoothing or repair work in the right obv field?
Isn't that a remnant of a clash?
Yep clash marks
Here is a link to a PCGS XF40 1807 dime https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-dimes/dimes/1807-10c-jr-1-r2-xf40-pcgs/a/1233-3744.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515
The 1807 dime is definitely tough to grade. Do you punish the grade for clashed dies worn beyond a useful life?
The grade I gave of VF35 is details only, for the cut and probable cleaning.
I thought about that, but you really need to look at the coin with strong glass in person and perhaps look at some of the 18 or so die states before can condemn the coin absolute. There are multiple pictures of this coin on the "Coin Facts" site.
I like your dime. Despite some minor issues it should grade a solid choice very fine.
Looks like it just upgraded to a 40
A nice old dime... seen lots of commerce...for me, this would be a 'historical' add, one to just admire and enjoy. Cheers, RickO
I like it, but I'm at F15 -- or maybe VF Details. I'm not an expert in this series but is just seems there is too much general wear and a few little problems (e.g. rim damage/filing above STATES OF) to get it to a solid VF...? Just my 2c.
ANA LM
USAF Retired — 34 years of active military service! 🇺🇸
Looks like a good "show coin." I suspect the more selective bunch around here would hold out for a better example though. Decent though!
Thanks for the additional information, that's why I posted my concerns as a question rather than as a statement of "fact."
I'm here to learn and appreciate the comments of more learned members.
This is a coin for which I think it really could pay off to submit it to PCGS for grading. There are enough questions raised in the posts above this one to suggest that some people doubt it would receive a straight grade from PCGS. If it were housed in a PCGS VF35 or EF40 holder, the risk to a potential buyer would be perceived as lower, and some of the doubts raised above would be assuaged. As a result, a stronger price would likely be realized when the time comes to sell. If PCGS instead sends it back in a Genuine holder with a problem noted, such as a filed rim or tooling, then you've learned something in the process for a relatively small amount of tuition.
I have a very rare 1797 13 Stars half dime that is in a similar boat. It has a little mark on the rim just like your dime. Most forum members here thought it would grade, as did I. However, both PCGS and NGC called it "damaged" due to the rim mark. Lesson learned.
I like it. Draped bust dimes are tough to find without any issues if they have circulated a lot.
I like it. Nice dime!
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