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Some new Pics of the 1807 Dime

SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

still not the best but better for grading




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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,967 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Way cool dime

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's a coin I would have loved to own back in the 1960s when I was a new collector. Today, it just strikes me as a problem coin that is never going to find a happy home.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Happy coins deserve more recognition than that.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,960 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's hard to dislike an early coin that seems to have only minor issues. If you are concerned about the weakness on the word "UNITED" on the reverse, check out some of the Mint State pieces on the "Coin Facts" site.

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,164 ✭✭✭✭✭

    now I'm wondering if there has been some smoothing or repair work in the right obv field?

  • Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @kaz said:
    now I'm wondering if there has been some smoothing or repair work in the right obv field?

    Isn't that a remnant of a clash?

  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bigbuck1975 said:

    @kaz said:
    now I'm wondering if there has been some smoothing or repair work in the right obv field?

    Isn't that a remnant of a clash?

    Yep clash marks

  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2017 6:35PM

    Here is a link to a PCGS XF40 1807 dime https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-dimes/dimes/1807-10c-jr-1-r2-xf40-pcgs/a/1233-3744.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

    The 1807 dime is definitely tough to grade. Do you punish the grade for clashed dies worn beyond a useful life?

    The grade I gave of VF35 is details only, for the cut and probable cleaning.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2017 6:27PM

    @kaz said:
    now I'm wondering if there has been some smoothing or repair work in the right obv field?

    I thought about that, but you really need to look at the coin with strong glass in person and perhaps look at some of the 18 or so die states before can condemn the coin absolute. There are multiple pictures of this coin on the "Coin Facts" site.

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  • VanHalenVanHalen Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like your dime. Despite some minor issues it should grade a solid choice very fine.

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like it just upgraded to a 40

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A nice old dime... seen lots of commerce...for me, this would be a 'historical' add, one to just admire and enjoy. Cheers, RickO

  • EXOJUNKIEEXOJUNKIE Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it, but I'm at F15 -- or maybe VF Details. I'm not an expert in this series but is just seems there is too much general wear and a few little problems (e.g. rim damage/filing above STATES OF) to get it to a solid VF...? Just my 2c.

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  • Looks like a good "show coin." I suspect the more selective bunch around here would hold out for a better example though. Decent though!

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,164 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:

    @kaz said:
    now I'm wondering if there has been some smoothing or repair work in the right obv field?

    I thought about that, but you really need to look at the coin with strong glass in person and perhaps look at some of the 18 or so die states before can condemn the coin absolute. There are multiple pictures of this coin on the "Coin Facts" site.

    Thanks for the additional information, that's why I posted my concerns as a question rather than as a statement of "fact."
    I'm here to learn and appreciate the comments of more learned members.

  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is a coin for which I think it really could pay off to submit it to PCGS for grading. There are enough questions raised in the posts above this one to suggest that some people doubt it would receive a straight grade from PCGS. If it were housed in a PCGS VF35 or EF40 holder, the risk to a potential buyer would be perceived as lower, and some of the doubts raised above would be assuaged. As a result, a stronger price would likely be realized when the time comes to sell. If PCGS instead sends it back in a Genuine holder with a problem noted, such as a filed rim or tooling, then you've learned something in the process for a relatively small amount of tuition.

    I have a very rare 1797 13 Stars half dime that is in a similar boat. It has a little mark on the rim just like your dime. Most forum members here thought it would grade, as did I. However, both PCGS and NGC called it "damaged" due to the rim mark. Lesson learned.

  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it. Draped bust dimes are tough to find without any issues if they have circulated a lot.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,183 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it. Nice dime!

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