1969 S 1C possible Double Die?

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Arvin1977
Arvin1977 Posts: 34 ✭
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I recently came across this 1969 S. Yes, you could chalk it up as a machine doubling. Two issues I have with that would be 1) when you overly the original 69 S double die, it's a match in both positioning and direction, and 2) under negative imaging, there exists two, if not three, high points in which the doubling elevates. Thoughts?

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  • ModCrewman
    ModCrewman Posts: 4,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Welcome aboard.

    Sorry to say, but all I see is machine doubling.

  • Arvin1977
    Arvin1977 Posts: 34 ✭
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    Glad to be here. Thx.

  • coindeuce
    coindeuce Posts: 13,527 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    you might try to call it the Poor Man's doubled Die, since it ain't the ultra rare FS-101, where extremely strong doubling is evident on all obverse letters and numbers.

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  • Arvin1977
    Arvin1977 Posts: 34 ✭
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    Yes..only the date is affected.

  • FredWeinberg
    FredWeinberg Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It's the very common, and sometimes confusing,
    69-S Mechanical/Ejection Doubling type.

    Not the rare Doubled Die - sorry

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  • abcde12345
    abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Strong considerations should be made that if your penny is truly legit and a verifiable double die it is then rated as scarce to rare (depending on the overall state of condition it is in) and should be awarded consideration for market grading by the experts here.

  • BuffaloIronTail
    BuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Flat and shelf like.........no doubt machine doubling damage.

    Good for you to pay attention to this date.....Keep searching..

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  • BruceS
    BruceS Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Welcome @Arvin1977, do a search of DD VS MD, there was a very recent thread that had a great graphic on how to differentiate between the two.

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  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,309 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Genuine 1969-S double die a very dramatic error.

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    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • mannie gray
    mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Welcome to the madness that is variety collecting.
    Keep looking........you'll never find one.... :(
    I shouldn't say that, even jokingly, but you won't.
    You will find other varieties if you are persistent about not only searching but also about educating yourself.

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Arvin1977.... Welcome aboard.... the cent has machine doubling as stated above.... However, you are looking closely at your coins, so that is a plus. This is how people find good coins in circulation and even the occasional 'discovery' piece..... Best of luck... Cheers, RickO

  • BIGAL2749
    BIGAL2749 Posts: 742 ✭✭✭✭
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    That is a large spread for machine doubling and can see why one would give the coin a thorough exam.

    BTW welcome to the forum and you'll learn and find a lot of information here but one does need to develop a thick skin at times.

  • Arvin1977
    Arvin1977 Posts: 34 ✭
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    Thx

  • mr1931S
    mr1931S Posts: 7,309 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Keep looking........you'll never find one....
    I shouldn't say that, even jokingly, but you won't.

    Probably won't. I believe a collector found one in circulation a few years ago,however.

    "Two things are infinite: human stupidity and the universe; and I'm not sure about the universe."
    -Albert Einstein-

    Mistakes are natural. But repeated mistakes without reflection are something else. That may be the “stupidity” he was referring to. In research, he admitted uncertainty openly. “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?” This shows humility. Even a Nobel laureate accepted doubt. That humility makes the quote less cynical and more observational.

  • grip
    grip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MD on this one also.

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