More vehicle robberies
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When I saw the two recent reports I thought of all the dealers that actually get tailed leaving a show where there is no opportunity as in these cases. Like Willie Sutton said.
Vehicle Burglary
Dealer Gene Dixon was the victim of a vehicle burglary after attending the recent Santa Clara Coin Show. Mr. Dixon left the show and traveled approximately ten miles and stopped at a Denny's where the incident occurred.The MIlpitas police department is investigating the offense.
Below is a partial list of stolen coins:
2 - $20 St. Gaudens gold coins, PCGS MS64 , 1-1908 No Motto & 1924,26 or28
1 - 1873-S $20 Liberty gold coin, closed 3 UNC, Raw
3 - English Gold sovereigns , 2 - 1887-1893 , 1 - 1893-1901 or vice versa
3 or 4 - 1/10th oz gold eagle , 1 - 1991 & 1 other better date
1 - $20 liberty gold (I think) unknown date
2 -jewelry grade $5 Indian gold coin
1 - 1853 $1 gold - Fake
Several small US gold & $2 1/2
Misc gold bezels
1 - 1862 US note VG-F $1 or 2 or 5, not sure
2 - U.S. trade dollars , proof like dates??
2 - partial Standing Liberty Quarter sets
1918 Lincoln 50c silver commem AU-whizzed
1 - 1921 Alabama 2x2 silver commem XF clean
9 - 1952 Washington Carver silver commems UNC or better
1 - 1835 25c
1 - 2c piece common vf
Box 50 - 100 pieces type coins and silver dollars, misc denomination most bid $40 - $100
Approx. +/- 100 Bulk silver dollars
1 - USS constitution silver medal in bloe box w/COA 4-5oz .999 silver
1 - lewis and clark .925 medal
1 - Kennedy medal .925
1 - Seattle 1962 medal .925
1 - 1897 elongated barber quarter w/solder on back
1 - 1943 elongated mercury dime w/king tut reverse & 2-holes
minor quantity of 90% silver coin, halves
Anyone with information should contact:
Doug Davis
Vehicle Burglary
Detectives with the Whitfield County Sheriff's Office are investigating a vehicle burglary that occurred immediately after the GNA show. Two collectors who were attendees at the GNA show left and stopped at a restaurant where their vehicle was burglarized.
Detectives believe the suspects, two black males, may have been in the parking lot of the show and waiting for the victims to leave.
The following is a list of stolen items:
Currency $ 4,200
1913-S Saint Gaudens $20 MS63
Beretta with grimison trace red lazer
Glock
$10 Liberty Coin 1893 MS63
$10 Liberty Coin 1901-S MS63
Morgan Dollars (Value $1,540)
Currency $5,000
2 roller travel bags
Anyone with information contact:
Det. Jeff Wells
Comments
It's becoming time where a vehicle is never left alone after a coin show.
Parking Lot security hired by the Coin Show might also be in order.
Either that, or those traveler roller bags go into the Denny's or the Restaurant.
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Must have been a slow show if they are eating at Denny's.
As far as the robbery at the Dalton show. They were at a cracker barrel that has a horrid history of vehicle breakins. After viewing all the video the conclusion seems to be the perps just got lucky and had no idea what was in the car when they popped the trunk! They actually went back to the car a second time!
I find it amazing how often the same mistakes are made. It is like watching the movie Ground Hog Day.
This is why I ask about whether a venue allows me to carry a concealed weapon with a proper permit. And why I will never to go a show in Chicagoland. Don't tell me how safe Shaumburg is - HA!
I am never worried about getting to the parking lot at the venue. How would anyone know what I might have and whether I might be worth robbing?
But once I get to that parking lot, I feel the need to have protection.
I should mention that I never feel uncomfortable at the venue itself. Promoters always have proper security inside the building.
And as we see in the latest examples, you are most vulnerable after you leave the show since the perps can make you out as a mark. Personally, I normally don't stop to eat or tend to other things until I get home or at least 150 miles from the venue.
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If it was me, I would plan out a few turns and look to see if any same vehicle is following before I stopped anywhere. Some dealers seem to act like fat turkeys ready to be plucked. No wonder they have trains.
Got to be an easy simple tracking solution in this day and age.
PCGS/NGC ought to design a GPS slab just for such occasions.
Wonder how a "Find my iphone App" would have worked.
Terrible stories.
You can use your own trackers. There are some ways to get around them, but would likely bust your average thief.
That's awful.
What is it with these dealers that have to eat, while leaving their cars packed full of gold and quality coins?
Just pack a lunch or hit the drive-thru.
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
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Same old song and dance.......they'll never learn.
Amazing, as one group even had their handguns stolen, if I am reading the report correctly!
They're lucky that they weren't used on them being that careless with them.
My handgun never leaves my possession. SMH...
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Ill never understand why dealers or collectors for that matter leave a show and stop shortly thereafter at a restaurant and eat and leave stuff unattended. It happens over and over.
When I leave our local show here in town for the day, I do not stop period, and also take a crazy way home to deter any potential followers. When I leave a show away, I don't stop anywhere near close to the show, and take my bag in.
I am not a dealer but if I purchase coins or have any amount of cash in my vehicle when I stop to eat I ALWAYS sit somewhere that I can see it and park as close as possible. The thought of being robbed has to be at least considered by dealers, I couldn't leave the amount of assets they do in my car unattended for over a minute much less 30 minutes.
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Was suggested to Don some time ago.
I believe the thiefs can now attach a tracker themselves to one's vehicle so those few turns and not seeing a car following might just offer a false sense of security.
Security is the responsibility of the individual. As tragic as these events are, they are responsible for not taking the proper measures. This happens over and over again... I have seen it yearly on this forum. What does it take for people to learn this lesson???? Cheers, RickO
To expand on Ricko's post, it appears the robbers at the Dalton show made off with two handguns, multiple coins, and over $9K in CASH!!!
Further, if I'm reading amwldcoin's post correctly, the collectors simply drove directly across the freeway from the convention center to the restaurant (they are on opposite frontage roads), where they were robbed. I'm sure they did not want to be robbed, but at the same time, they certainly seem to have made it easy for the robbers!!!
Steve
I like to slowly approach a green light and blow through as it changes to almost red. Makes it hard to follow you.
Terribe! Hopefully they had insurance on those coins.
If it is in a state that has a reciprocal carry law I don't ask the venue crap.
Except in the case where the venue is owned by the goobermint and posts 'no weapons' signs. This can also happen at other venues.
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Unless they had exceptionally expensive and expansive policies, insurance does not cover coins left in a car if one leaves the car.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I believe this is true, but when reading my insurance policy they have rules for when items must be left unattended. It specifically mentions checking bags at airports when required, but also mentions vehicles and says something roughly like when left unattended all security devices equipped must be used and armed. I took this to mean that if you have to leave the items in the car you have to lock the doors and arm the alarm if equipped. I personally never leave my items unattended, but it reads like there is possible coverage. Have you ever specifically been told by your insurer that your items wouldnt be covered? I use Hugh Wood BTW.
FWIW I'm guessing sitting down at Denny's for a bite wouldn't fit into the if you "must" category even if they were covered.
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I also use Hugh Wood, Inc and they include an "unattended vehicle exclusion clause" that notes that security features must be fully engaged and secured. However, there is no list of what these features are. I would imagine that you may have to discuss and have in writing what features are in place and what premium is attached to them, to have insurance in effect. I do know that some policies require modifications to vehicles and storage containers to qualify for insurance in these cases.
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Common sense isn't so common these days.
Also, having my slabbed coins trackable is the worst idea I've ever heard...
thats to bad to hear. ( they should drop there stuff off and home/store then go to dinner ) jmo thou
Both the new Houston show and the Bellaire Coin Club show have a clause in the agreement you sign specifically prohibiting handguns in the venue. This constitutes legal notice, if I'm not mistaken. If I were a self-employed dealer I would not attend those shows, but I'm not and my job (the company I work for has no issues with concealed carry) requires that I be there.
I hate to criticize others on security as I have done some I would be hammered on. Simple rule I have is I will not leave my vehicle where I can not see it from a restaurant table. I have always been accommodated or I will leave. Everyone has their own comfort level of risk they are willing to take.
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They'll confiscate your car just for being charged with having a gun. Then you'll face charges even if the gun is legally registered and a legal carrying permit exists. There is effectively no such thing as "self defense" in Illinois anyway. If you shoot someone it is assumed you planned to.
Now days with technology thieves can even plant a transponder on your car and pick you up many miles away or follow you home. If you get caught carry cash police departments will seize it.
Now days it might be best to stick to areas that are known to you and make sure you keep your coins in a safety deposit box ort a secure vault outside of your home. Most thieves are not equipped to break into a high quality vault with an alarm system. The ones who are will probably be busy stealing something else and being released in six months to a year.
I used to have a Texas CHL and now have a Oklahoma CHL. After going thru some worthless classroom instruction have come to the conclusion that you can steal my car and you can steal my tractor[providing I am not on or in them] but you enter my house you will not leave under your own power.
That said security is not that expensive anymore. I have driveway monitors, video cams, door and window monitors that pop up on my phone within seconds of someone crossing a certain point.
I am going to go out on a limb and say you can not easily steal my car, you would probably have to have a flat bed or pretty dam smart.
Until last year I had a1987 Buick grand national that 4 tried and all failed to steal it and those were easy cars to steal. Besides a basic alarm I had a started disable that was cheap and all you had to do was make a loop by touching 2 screws at the same time. You just had to know where the screws were, later on the computer chip also had started disable on it.
I believe your demeanor and appearance can have a lot to do with your safety. I always scan a room upon entering, a parking lot before parking etc. I do not feel paranoid but I generally will not box myself in at a stoplight.
Boxes get ripped apart and disposed of somewhere other than my house, I rarely use any service companies. I moved my 3 gun safes into my house at 5 am and the list goes on.
BTW the house I just finished got ripped off 1 year ago and I kind of caused it. 30,000 rounds of ammo, 1 gun and all my work tools were stolen. Insurance paid over 13k. Oklahoma sheriff department kicked butt and all got caught. 1 just got 13 years, 2 got probation with stiff conditions and 1 still unresolved.
Now that I have rambled for a while I would say that every city, police department, county has a pretty good idea who and where the crooks are. I was amazed at how long a rap sheet the people that broke into my house had. To me that is the problem
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Tuffy makes some great product for my Jeep.
Under seat storage, glove box, trunk safes, tactical boxes for just about every make vehicle.
Enough to slow them down. Still, at some point ya got to eat or at least have a bathroom break.
A thief always has the advantage. They know when they will strike, how they will strike and whom they will strike. Potential victims are responsible for taking precautions that discourage theft or make it unprofitable. Having a personal cache of weapons, is not an effective deterrent. An experienced thief already knows what is in a potential victim's possession - that is why the victim is targeted.
Readers might notice that among all the pre- or post-show robberies, almost none involve violence against the victim. That indicates planning. Few thieves want to confront a victim. Dealers/collectors have to plan so they are not identified as targets, or present too many obstacles to successful theft.
Too bad t hey can't set up a sting with a dim witted looking guy with a Hawaiian shirt with tons of gold. He plays by the script gets a little help loading up his car after a show and heads to the pancake house with his buddy leaving the goodies unattended. The bad guys show up, a major press release covers the apprehension, word gets out; dealers are wising up and any attempted theft could be a sting.
Gotta be careful with those hidden compartments in cars, some states like Ohio have made these illegal. Thank the cartels and drug traffickers for that...
They would have to already know which vehicle belongs to the dealer they plan to steal from. The articles read as if they are following dealers as they leave the shows (walking).
In general the whole industry (dealers & collectors alike) is not as security-conscious as it ought to be. A lot of thefts could be prevented with common sense. You'll never stop the highly targeted heist planned by a motivated criminal, but a lot of this could be avoided with a few basic practices.
I just read the IL law and I don't see where you can make those statements. Here is what I found (FOID is the IL firearm ID card):
Non-residents
A non-resident is permitted to possess a firearm without a FOID if it is unloaded and enclosed in a case, or if the nonresident is:
• Hunting and has a non-resident hunting license, while in an area where hunting is permitted.
• On a target range recognized by the Department of State Police.
• At a gun show recognized by the Department of State Police.
• Currently licensed or registered to possess a firearm in his state of residence.
430 ILCS 65/2
IL Statute
Most dealers are very security conscious when traveling to and from shows. The biggest point here is "common sense". When I leave a show driving I assume that someone is following me and act accordingly. You can't EVER be TOO careful when you have valuables with you. I would never leave coins in the car when I stop...this really is "Dealer 101". Most of these robberies are a case of "opportunity". It is like the lion attacking the weakest of the herd. If you are lazy or sloppy, you will become a target as you leave the show. Travel in groups of 2 or more, don't load merchandise in an area where everyone can view you, etc. Again, common sense should prevail.
I would honestly bring my stuff in the store with me rather than leave it in the car
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As evidenced by Coin Show reports, poor eating habits and gambling are the norm, rather than exception!
Some folks like the rush of risk mixed with high glycemic indexes.
Some of dealers have some unusual methods to ward off thieves!
And this
high voltage attache case remote control alarm siren
One thing you have to remember, the cops get to do what they want, they don't have to be right to create grief in your life
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