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2000-W 22kt Gold Sacagawea - The Last Gold Dollar

ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 18, 2017 10:57PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Was just wondering if the gold Sac dollars will be sharing space with the 1933 Double Eagles and if they will be exhibited in roughly the same ways at the same frequency.

How many people here have seen these, besides TD that is? Just ran across his pic on the Small Dollars site.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,093 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I resemble that remark.......

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What did you think of the coins @CaptHenway? Did you get one of the commemorative cards?

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now that is a neat gold coin.... I wonder when the first 'wild' one will show up? :D There must be one out there somewhere....Cheers, RickO

  • "The Mint had plans to strike these gold versions for collectors either with the One Dollar denomination or the Five Dollar denomination. After a public outcry, due to the Mint's lack of authority to arbitrarily strike these gold coins, the plan was abandoned."

    Was there really a "public outcry"?.. find it hard to believe many knew about this,much less an outcry

  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have never heard of the gold Sacagaweas. I actually think they are super cool! Would be interesting to know where this public outcry originated from. I'd express encouragement for gold issues similar to this for new series- would certainly be a buyer.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,093 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @denali12 said:
    "The Mint had plans to strike these gold versions for collectors either with the One Dollar denomination or the Five Dollar denomination. After a public outcry, due to the Mint's lack of authority to arbitrarily strike these gold coins, the plan was abandoned."

    Was there really a "public outcry"?.. find it hard to believe many knew about this,much less an outcry

    Yes there was, because at the time there was no legal authorization for the Mint to do this. It was seen as a ploy to separate collectors from their money.

    Today, the law that allows the Mint to make gold Kennedy Half Dollars, Mercury Dimes. Standing Liberty Quarters and Walking Liberty Half Dollars would presumably authorize them.

    I do have one of the cards somewhere, packed two moves ago.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,093 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    What did you think of the coins @CaptHenway? Did you get one of the commemorative cards?

    They were well-made proofs.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @denali12 said:
    "The Mint had plans to strike these gold versions for collectors either with the One Dollar denomination or the Five Dollar denomination. After a public outcry, due to the Mint's lack of authority to arbitrarily strike these gold coins, the plan was abandoned."

    Was there really a "public outcry"?.. find it hard to believe many knew about this,much less an outcry

    Yes there was, because at the time there was no legal authorization for the Mint to do this. It was seen as a ploy to separate collectors from their money.

    Today, the law that allows the Mint to make gold Kennedy Half Dollars, Mercury Dimes. Standing Liberty Quarters and Walking Liberty Half Dollars would presumably authorize them.

    I do have one of the cards somewhere, packed two moves ago.

    Does that mean the Mint can sell the ones it has now? Or should they make more with current dates?

  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭✭✭

    very cool coin.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,093 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @CaptHenway said:

    @denali12 said:
    "The Mint had plans to strike these gold versions for collectors either with the One Dollar denomination or the Five Dollar denomination. After a public outcry, due to the Mint's lack of authority to arbitrarily strike these gold coins, the plan was abandoned."

    Was there really a "public outcry"?.. find it hard to believe many knew about this,much less an outcry

    Yes there was, because at the time there was no legal authorization for the Mint to do this. It was seen as a ploy to separate collectors from their money.

    Today, the law that allows the Mint to make gold Kennedy Half Dollars, Mercury Dimes. Standing Liberty Quarters and Walking Liberty Half Dollars would presumably authorize them.

    I do have one of the cards somewhere, packed two moves ago.

    Does that mean the Mint can sell the ones it has now? Or should they make more with current dates?

    Don't know the legality of that. They were illegal when struck, and I do not know if the law grandfathered in earlier pieces.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 21, 2017 1:28PM

    There's some inconsistent information about where these coins were struck. CoinFacts says West Point Mint but SmallDollars says Philadelphia Mint.

    Which one is correct?

    Calling @MWallace and @RogerB!

    CoinFacts: Coins were struck at West Point Mint:

    39 Proof 2000-W Sacagawea Dollar coins were struck in 22 Karat gold at the West Point Mint in June 1999.
    http://coinfacts.com/silver_dollars/sacagawea_dollars/2000w_sac_dollar.htm

    SmallDollars: Coins were struck at Philadelphia Mint:

    These coins were dated 2000 and carried the "W" mint mark even though they were struck at the United States Mint in Philadelphia. They were inscribed with a "W" mint mark because the Mint planned to eventually strike duplicate coins at the Mint's West Point (N.Y.) facility and sell them to the public.
    http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/page20b.html

  • ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,104 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Neat coins...I would have liked to have seen them.

    K

    ANA LM
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 21, 2017 12:59PM

    Well, at they won't tarnish the way the ones that are made of junk metal do. Those coins a snoozers so far as I'm concerned.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is one of the few modern coins I would love to own.

  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭

    That there was a "public outcry" against the existence of 2000 gold Saca coins makes this hard to believe,

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,093 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Saw a picture, or perhaps just an artist's conception, of the $5 reverse Sackie once, but cannot find it again,

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  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The U.S. Mint had a beautiful display at the A.N.A. up in Milwaukee back in 2007/8 (Can't remember which yr) and displayed 12 of them. They are really nice!


    Later, Paul.
  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,087 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 22, 2017 2:00AM

    @Zoins said:
    There's some inconsistent information about where these coins were struck. CoinFacts says West Point Mint but SmallDollars says Philadelphia Mint.

    Which one is correct?

    Calling @MWallace and @RogerB!

    They were struck at Philadelphia. See the next to last paragraph in the August 10, 2007 U. S. Mint press release here:
    http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/7-07pr.html

  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @epcjimi1 said:
    That there was a "public outcry" against the existence of 2000 gold Saca coins makes this hard to believe,

    The "public outcry" wasn't so much that 39 were struck (12 extant), but that the Director of the Mint Phil Diehl arbitrarily decided that the mint would strike gold versions of the Sac$ to be sold to the public. He did not have the authority to do this. Congress determines what coin designs, metal content, denominations, etc. are produced. Most of the "public outcry" came from the numismatic community. The general population probably didn't know that the mint, i.e. Mr. Diehl, didn't have the authority to do this, and the vast majority of the general public that did know probably didn't care.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would be so exciting to find one of these in the wild....However, it would have to be kept quiet or the gendarmes would be knocking at one's door.... How would one go about selling such a thing? Much like the elusive '64D Peace dollar.... a secret treasure. Cheers, RickO

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MWallace said:

    @Zoins said:
    There's some inconsistent information about where these coins were struck. CoinFacts says West Point Mint but SmallDollars says Philadelphia Mint.

    Which one is correct?

    Calling @MWallace and @RogerB!

    They were struck at Philadelphia. See the next to last paragraph in the August 10, 2007 U. S. Mint press release here:
    http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/7-07pr.html

    Thanks for the confirmation!

    The collected references on the site are a great way to have all this info in one place.

    The press release is also still up on the US Mint website.

    https://www.usmint.gov/news/press-releases/20070810-united-states-mint-displays-neverbeforeseen-gold-space-coins-in-milwaukee

  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @MWallace said:

    @Zoins said:
    There's some inconsistent information about where these coins were struck. CoinFacts says West Point Mint but SmallDollars says Philadelphia Mint.

    Which one is correct?

    Calling @MWallace and @RogerB!

    They were struck at Philadelphia. See the next to last paragraph in the August 10, 2007 U. S. Mint press release here:
    http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/7-07pr.html

    Thanks for the confirmation!

    The collected references on the site are a great way to have all this info in one place.

    The press release is also still up on the US Mint website.

    https://www.usmint.gov/news/press-releases/20070810-united-states-mint-displays-neverbeforeseen-gold-space-coins-in-milwaukee

    PCGS should change their CoinFacts page facts. I wouldn't know who to contact.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 23, 2017 1:35PM

    @MWallace said:

    @Zoins said:

    @MWallace said:

    @Zoins said:
    There's some inconsistent information about where these coins were struck. CoinFacts says West Point Mint but SmallDollars says Philadelphia Mint.

    Which one is correct?

    Calling @MWallace and @RogerB!

    They were struck at Philadelphia. See the next to last paragraph in the August 10, 2007 U. S. Mint press release here:
    http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/7-07pr.html

    Thanks for the confirmation!

    The collected references on the site are a great way to have all this info in one place.

    The press release is also still up on the US Mint website.

    https://www.usmint.gov/news/press-releases/20070810-united-states-mint-displays-neverbeforeseen-gold-space-coins-in-milwaukee

    PCGS should change their CoinFacts page facts. I wouldn't know who to contact.

    I believe Ron Guth runs both CoinFacts and PCGSCoinFacts, but the earlier CoinFacts is no longer being updated.

    Of interest, I just checked PCGSCoinFacts and it does have the correct information posted by Jaime Hernandez. Since CoinFacts is no longer being updated, it may be useful to retire it at some point.

    http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/508062

  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Of interest, I just checked PCGSCoinFacts and it does have the correct information posted by Jaime Hernandez.

    http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/508062

    Good.

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