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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭

    @Cameonut said:

    @CascadeChris said:
    Does anyone have one of those toilet seat slabs?

    I have an MCCS slab but no image. Here is an image from the Bay of E

    Frankly, I always like these slabs. Don't know what ever happened to the company though.

    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,781 ✭✭✭✭

    @lkeigwin said:
    Here's an interesting self-slab. Circa 1958. A little history from Sheridan Downey:

    "Robert Earl Cox was the preeminent collector of United States Half-Dollars in the years preceding Stack’s sale of his collection in April 1962. (Metro. NY Numis. Conv. Sale, April 26-28, 1962.) His virtually complete collection encompassed the gamut of 50¢ pieces. It commenced with a VF specimen in copper of Peter Getz’ 1792 depiction of George Washington and ended with a date set of uncirculated and proof Franklin half-dollars. It included patterns, errors, die and hub trials, fantasy pieces, commemoratives halves and the territorial issues of Hawaii.

    Cox displayed his half-dollars in sturdy cardboard holders made by Art Craft. The holders were individually prepared. Each shows the date and denomination along with the Beistle attribution, the common name of the variety, if any, and a word or two about characteristics of the die pair. Thin black tape was used to seal the edges and provide a narrow frame for the holder.

    Cox purchased this coin from B. Max Mehl January 2, 1958. A page from his ledger shows the cost, $50 plus $4.75 for the Art Craft holder."

    Sadly, of the many dozens of half dollars R.E. Cox had slabbed only two are known to have survived, this one and an 1813 O.107.
    Lance.



    I'd give this TWO likes if I could. Outstanding and deserving of it's own thread.

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  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2017 6:03AM

    @Peace_dollar88 said:

    Newest edition to my TPG holder endeavor. Numismatic Certification Institute photo grade circa 1988.

    Nice to see the NCI cert and holder still together. As I understand it, it was a option to do one or the other or both.

    Little known: NCI slabs (and early PCI) were listed in the greysheet supplement as recently as last year (I haven't seen newer greysheets). At a discount to PCI slabs, but still fairly strong prices.

    Edit: Grabbed the wrong link, sorry

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fivecents said:

    Neat "capital plastics" style holder for the set, also fun to see the silver toning to the same color as the bronze.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2017 7:33AM

    @CascadeChris said:

    @Lakesammman said:
    Love old holder threads - thanks for posting the Peace dollars.


    I have a similar one. Picked it up because it was accurately graded and cheap for the coin that's in it.


    As you can see, the plastic is the same. Robert Paul liscensed the use of his slab to several companies. INS was one of them.

    For those interested in history, The International Numismatic Society (INS) was set up in Washington DC by several prominent dealers and the former director of ANACS, Charles Hoskins when ANACS was moved to Colorado. INS authenticated coins at its Authentication Bureau (INSAB). They used a photo certificate half the size of the one pictured. The first time Paul offered INSAB the plastic slab the idea was rejected. Collectors like to hold their coins and put them in coin folders. Who would want their coin entombed in plastic? We know the rest of this story...

    Although no longer in business, INSAB was THE FIRST grading service. They began grading coins several months before ANACS published the grading guide and started grading for the public. INSAB did not charge for their grading opinion. It was issued on a buff colored card that was separate from the photo certificate of authenticity. When ANACS started grading coins for an extra fee on their photo certificate of authenticity, INS began to charge for a grading opinion.

    @CascadeChris said:

    @U1chicago said:
    One of my favorites due to the combination of the photos and detailed description of the grade:




    Wow. Can you imagine being a grader having to do those in depth grading analysis sheets by hand with legend symbols. Talk about a system that isn't built for volume.

    There was an article on these forms published in Mike Fazzari's Numismatic News column, "Making the Grade." Apparently, he created this grading option for INS. For a little extra grading fee, the submitter received an in-depth analysis as to why his coin received the grade it did. BTW, this form was used in two of his grading classes I've been in.

    Cascade is correct about volume/speed at a TPGS! However, in a class setting for beginners that often take 1 -2 minutes to examine a coin, the form works fine. After all, this is what all experienced graders do mentally in just a few seconds.

    Pick up a coin. Initial gut reaction; any obvious problems? Then:

    1. Luster
    2. Marks (number & location)
    3. Strike
    4. Eye Appeal

    Then, any not so obvious problems and should they affect the grade (market acceptable)?

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,257 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here are two pages out of an old coin album I found in my closet. Hopefully the coins will turn up at some point.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • 1946Hamm1946Hamm Posts: 779 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How about a low serial number ANACS slab. I like these little slabs.

    Have a good day, Gary
  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    As you can see, the plastic is the same. Robert Paul liscensed the use of his slab to several companies. INS was one of them.

    Just to set the record straight, Alan Hager was the Inventor, Robert B. Paul was the licensee.

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US4878579A/en

    The patent was filed on 4/24/1987 and issued on 11/7/1989. It has since expired. It lapsed in 1993 for failure to pay maintenance fees.

    Wander down to the "Patent Citations (14) " section and follow those links which shows the Patent's office view of how we got to this case.

    Wander a little further to the "Cited By (44)" section and follow those links to see the patents that derived from '579.

    Also arguably, the INS slab does not infringe on the patent! You see, the drawing is irrelevant, what matters is the claim:

    1. A tamper-proof coin case which is comprised of a unitary assembly comprising a first substantially planar member having a first element of an interlocking means disposed circumferentially thereabout, said first planar member being joined to a second substantially planar member having a second element of said interlocking means whose shape is complementary to said first element and which is disposed circumferentially about said second planar member, said unitary assembly having a first interior retention zone shaped such that a coin can be retained within said first interior retention zone, a second interior retention zone shaped such that at least one photograph of the coin can be retained within said second interior retention zone and a third interior retention zone shaped such that a certificate for the coin can be retained within said third interior retention zone, each of said planar members having a first transparent portion located to permit observation of each side of a coin retained within said first interior retention zone, each of said planar members further comprising a second transparent portion located to permit observation of two photographs of the coin retained within said second interior retention zone and said first planar member further comprising a third transparent portion located to permit observation of a certificate for the coin retained within said third interior retention zone; wherein the exterior surfaces of said first and second planar members which do not comprise said transparent portions have a surface texture which causes at least partial opacity; and further wherein said unitary assembly is formed by ultrasonically welding said first and second planar members together.

    Since the INS slab only has TWO compartments... well, that's why IP (Intellectual Property) lawyers get paid big bucks... because it doesn't matter what it says, only what you can convince a judge it means...

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1946Hamm said:
    How about a low serial number ANACS slab. I like these little slabs.

    I have 75 and 127.

    These are not as old as you think. They are ANACS/Amos Press ownership.

    ANA slabs have a 2 letter - 4 number cert.

    When Amos Bought them, they continued using the 2-4 combination and added new letters. The sequence within those combinations is not clear, except that it is NOT alphabetical...

    ANA
    CD, JK, KP, LO, LP, MJ, NJ, RD, TR, TS, WD, WF, WR, XA

    AMOS
    PG, PK, SC, SX, WE, ZD

    (note that EX and RE were used by both. XA was reportedly used only for show submissions and I do not own an example)

    When more recent ANACS ownership seeded the 2-letter combos into their database, they had to work around known numerics, e.g. 7xxxx. Which is why the conversion sheet on their site was so wanky.

    My records show the following for the newest known coin in each of those blocks - it's likely that was the 1st year it was used:

    0 589 1993
    7 73923 1993
    15 150389 1992
    25 253749 1992
    21 210477 1992
    22 222255 1992

    Also while I'm dumping ANACS information, per Bob Paul, the photo certs were

    A, B, C: Washington, DC
    D – not used
    E-xxxx-A, start in Colorado Springs

    (he's said that at the time they had three ledgers rotating between the work flow and they weren't sure about D when they started in CO, so they started with E to be sure)

    The original ledgers are in the ANA Museum in Colorado Springs.

    There is a story in The Numismatist about certification A0001 as the first issued in a presentation. The ANA ledgers list

    1 to 1736 6/15/1972 - 1/31/1973

    #1000 Gr Brit "Prince of Wales Weight box"

    1737 - 3177 2/1/1973 - 6/11/1973
    3178 - 4839 6/15/1973 - 11/8/1973
    4840 - 6420 11/9/1973 - 3/12/1974
    6421 - 7988 3/13/1974 - 6/24/1974
    7989 -10000 6/24/1974 - 10/15/[1974]

    A0001 - A1887 [10/14/1974 - 10/16/1974] - 4/14/1975
    A1885 4/4/1975
    A1886 4/3/1975
    A1887 4/4/1975
    A1888 - 4/4/1975 (overlap) - 9/19/1975
    A1888 4/4/1975
    A1890 4/4/1975
    A1891 4/4/1975
    A1892 4/4/1975

    I have photos of the 1st and last page of each of the ledgers, but haven't got it easily transcribed.

    There was an A00005 small white holder sold on eBay a few years back. Where/why unknown as is whether there are other A0000x slabs. This one is not in the ANACS database.

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BStrauss3 said:

    @Insider2 said:

    As you can see, the plastic is the same. Robert Paul liscensed the use of his slab to several companies. INS was one of them.

    Just to set the record straight, Alan Hager was the Inventor, Robert B. Paul was the licensee.

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US4878579A/en

    The patent was filed on 4/24/1987 and issued on 11/7/1989. It has since expired. It lapsed in 1993 for failure to pay maintenance fees.

    Wander down to the "Patent Citations (14) " section and follow those links which shows the Patent's office view of how we got to this case.

    Wander a little further to the "Cited By (44)" section and follow those links to see the patents that derived from '579.

    Also arguably, the INS slab does not infringe on the patent! You see, the drawing is irrelevant, what matters is the claim:

    1. A tamper-proof coin case which is comprised of a unitary assembly comprising a first substantially planar member having a first element of an interlocking means disposed circumferentially thereabout, said first planar member being joined to a second substantially planar member having a second element of said interlocking means whose shape is complementary to said first element and which is disposed circumferentially about said second planar member, said unitary assembly having a first interior retention zone shaped such that a coin can be retained within said first interior retention zone, a second interior retention zone shaped such that at least one photograph of the coin can be retained within said second interior retention zone and a third interior retention zone shaped such that a certificate for the coin can be retained within said third interior retention zone, each of said planar members having a first transparent portion located to permit observation of each side of a coin retained within said first interior retention zone, each of said planar members further comprising a second transparent portion located to permit observation of two photographs of the coin retained within said second interior retention zone and said first planar member further comprising a third transparent portion located to permit observation of a certificate for the coin retained within said third interior retention zone; wherein the exterior surfaces of said first and second planar members which do not comprise said transparent portions have a surface texture which causes at least partial opacity; and further wherein said unitary assembly is formed by ultrasonically welding said first and second planar members together.

    Since the INS slab only has TWO compartments... well, that's why IP (Intellectual Property) lawyers get paid big bucks... because it doesn't matter what it says, only what you can convince a judge it means...

    Thanks for the interesting research! Well, I guess Robert Paul must have changed the plastic because the INS holder IS DIFFERENT from the Accugrade holder. Perhaps all that happened after the patent expired. All I remember is that several companies used Paul's slab and it in no way resembled the Accugrade product.

  • Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ezmoney wow those are both beautiful coins! Nit every day you see toners in vintage holders!

  • Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭✭✭




    Certified in 1986 by FCS newest addition in my efforts of old holders.

  • TwobitcollectorTwobitcollector Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My 20th Century Type set

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,507 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a flip that housed this coin for 30+ years...and the toning that resulted from it.

    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
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  • gtstanggtstang Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've shown this coin holder here before. It came from my Grandfather many years ago.

  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,507 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 4, 2017 7:32PM

    I wish I would have bought these.

    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
    Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners. :smile:
  • mt_mslamt_msla Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭

    Not my auction, in no way affiliated with this. Just saw it on the ebay. But I thought the holder deserved a look-see here on this "interesting slab" thread. Please enjoy.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Limited-Edition-Of-160-2014-ANA-PCGS-Sample-Slab-Lowball-1916-D-Barber-Quarter/272901747522?epid=170391684&hash=item3f8a363342:g:rccAAOSwe51Z8OlV

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  • desslokdesslok Posts: 310 ✭✭✭

    This has got to be one of the strangest PCGS holders I've ever seen. It's currently offered on eBay (not my auction).

    The coins in my opinion are worth about $5 apiece. Then you have two identical coins (same denomination, date and variety) of slightly different grades, MS64 and MS65, slabbed together in a double holder, with an asking price of $292. I just don't understand this at all.

  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭

    I may have missed 'em, but I didn't see any GSA holders.

    Paul
  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great post! Thanks all.

  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting post I found

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,794 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is an old holder that apparently was used by many Mel Wacks counterstrikes.


  • Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Forgot to add this to the thread. My favorite for my slab collections. NGC 2.1

  • woogloutwooglout Posts: 200 ✭✭✭

    @Peace_dollar88 said:
    I love old holders and think they contain a significant part of numismatic history. I have been collecting various holders housing peace dollars. If you know of any please let me know. Here is what I have so far. Also if you know of any david hall peace dollar flips available let me know. Thanks in advance.

    What kind of holder is that to the right of the Tulving holder? I can't place my finger on it...

    This one:

  • Peace_dollar88Peace_dollar88 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @wooglout it's a blanchard.

  • Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 998 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Got a couple newps and gotta keep the odd holder thread alive!!
    So...I'm looking for the 58 proof frankie, help me out!

    This slab hasn't got a scratch on it,
    Looks NEW.

    And the dollar ain't too bad either.
    It looks well graded. Maybe could go 66.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,141 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BustDMs said:

    @EastonCollection said:
    I consider this as an odd holder - I never saw full bell lines being applied to a half cent?

    Full BUST line silly.

    “Funny Blue Luster”

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. A tamper-proof coin case which is comprised of a unitary assembly comprising a first substantially planar member having a first element of an interlocking means disposed circumferentially thereabout, said first planar member being joined to a second substantially planar member having a second element of said interlocking means whose shape is complementary to said first element and which is disposed circumferentially about said second planar member, said unitary assembly having a first interior retention zone shaped such that a coin can be retained within said first interior retention zone, a second interior retention zone shaped such that at least one photograph of the coin can be retained within said second interior retention zone and a third interior retention zone shaped such that a certificate for the coin can be retained within said third interior retention zone, each of said planar members having a first transparent portion located to permit observation of each side of a coin retained within said first interior retention zone, each of said planar members further comprising a second transparent portion located to permit observation of two photographs of the coin retained within said second interior retention zone and said first planar member further comprising a third transparent portion located to permit observation of a certificate for the coin retained within said third interior retention zone; wherein the exterior surfaces of said first and second planar members which do not comprise said transparent portions have a surface texture which causes at least partial opacity; and further wherein said unitary assembly is formed by ultrasonically welding said first and second planar members together.

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  • Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 998 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2, 2019 8:32PM

    Anybody else come into any
    more odd/old holders...?
    Bueller? Bueller?
    I picked up a few:
    Got a Walker in a toilet bowl

    Weird they didn't align the text in the same orientation as the coin on reverse.

    Finally got a Regency, wish it was a US coin :(

    A Hallmark with a walker!

    Amazing how pronounced fingerprints show in pictures, really don't look like this in hand.

    Show us what you got lately.

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  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These people did the very first slab (although mine is a few years later)

    -----Burton
    ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
  • dimebagdimebag Posts: 109 ✭✭

    how about this morgan graded by pngl. ebay # 192047644604

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,141 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WillieBoyd2 said:
    No grade assigned or needed:

    image
    Italian souvenir coin encased in volcanic lava from Mt. Vesuvius

    :)

    That’s a slag, not a slab.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭

    Gotta love the true mint luster of the GSA Peace Dollar, it makes all the rest look dirty...

    JMHO...

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  • dimebagdimebag Posts: 109 ✭✭

    here's an odd ball slab, gallery coin company. ebay # 181696781746

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,328 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have an acg with a ms 68 Eisenhower in it. kept all these years for some unknown reason

  • @KindaNewish said:
    my oldest slab turns 80 years old later this month.

    wow !!!!!!! oldie but goodie !!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • how about this one, ebay # 362657565047 made by coin vault inc. why no grade ???

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dimebag said:
    how about this one, ebay # 362657565047 made by coin vault inc. why no grade ???

    They explain it on the back of the slab. ;)

    Coinvault was a packaging service and not a grading company. One could send in a coin that was graded by someone else (like a photo cert from the various companies that did that) and have Coinvault put it into their slab and write the grade from the other company.

    These coinvault holders are actually not too common. I’ve only seen a handful over the years.

  • Margood Coin Holders for error coins

    Arnold Margolis, along with Mort Goodman were the face of the error hobby In the 1960s when Goodman got to New York and finally met Arnie, the two became fast friends, starting Mar-Good, a company that issued the very first coin boards to hold errors.

    Margood made holders for Lincoln Cents “wheat & memorial”, Jefferson Nickels & Roosevelt Dimes.
    The 1955D with the note “B605” on the obverse is the Cohen Index number and can be found on page 45 in her book the 1969 edition of “THE CLASSIFICATION AND VALUE OF ERRORS ON THE LINCOLN CENT”.
    The 1955D with the note ‘55D-4F+10” on the obverse is the Hardy index # and can be found on page XLVII in the “BIE Handbook” Edited by Howard O Hardy published in 1972



  • 55D B605 & Nickel

  • metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • thanks u1chicago for the info on the coin vault slab !!! i have five odd-ball slab's but not much computer know-how & outdated software. i can send someone pics. of them & maybe they can post them for me @ dwaynegerhard@yahoo.com.thanks in advance, dimebag.

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