@MsMorrisine said:
good on you for coming back
good on you for saying it was denied
when you get your resubmission back it will be denied again. the fact that the coin is iron(steel) with the next major metal as zinc should tell you it is a very discolored yet common 1943 steel cent.
it says 1% manganese too. you're not claiming it's manganese plated. what about the silver? see where I'm going?
@JBK said:
OP is showing conflicting/different metallurgical reports. I guess we can pick the one we like.
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the OP - boyernumismatics who hasn't posted in years
the current test results on paper - Deannalea1976 who is relatively new here and was first a contestant on this thread in 2019
the NGC submitter who posted the screenshot of the electronic results - 23Vasquez23 who is new but just resurrected this
A copper-coated steel cent test piece would likely have the copper plated directly onto the steel (but that is not 100% guaranteed). Normal 1943 steel cents have zinc plating.
So if it could be determined that the coin never had a zinc plating under the copper plating, than that would indicate that it is a genuine experimental coin.
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Just to prove your wrong and I left by the window of my house where the sunlight would hit it direct just to see what would happen and the bronze bleed out of the coin but after I removed it, it seemed to absorb it back into the coin. When the coin is tested, results will show that nothing was altered or done to the coin. Test results won’t lie.
And whatever results your posting up are just of coins the US mint made, has nothing to do with the Errors and experimental coins which in most case the won’t be a much of a history unless someone discovers a certain coin. Most error and experimental coins vary in the amount of metal materials that are in it because they were suppose to have been done.
The officer that conducted the test on the coin explained to me very well in details about the coin that’s why the coin will be resubmitted. If results would have been negative then I would not even consider resubmitting the coin. At the end anyone can say anything but the graders and results will have the final decision.
@23Vasquez23 said:
The officer that conducted the test on the coin explained to me very well in details about the coin that’s why the coin will be resubmitted. If results would have been negative then I would not even consider resubmitting the coin. At the end anyone can say anything but the graders and results will have the final decision.
@23Vasquez23 said:
The officer that conducted the test on the coin explained to me very well in details about the coin that’s why the coin will be resubmitted. If results would have been negative then I would not even consider resubmitting the coin. At the end anyone can say anything but the graders and results will have the final decision.
When I was a kid there was a store in the local mall called Kay Bee Toy & Hobby. They had a small case of coins which included a pile of copper plated 1943 steels that they sold for 75 cents per. To this day I still occasionally see one of them in the hands of an excited owner who thinks they hit the lottery. Of course these all fail the magnet test but many do have a good look to them due to the copper coating having darkened over time.
@23Vasquez23 said:
Just to prove your wrong and I left by the window of my house where the sunlight would hit it direct just to see what would happen and the bronze bleed out of the coin but after I removed it, it seemed to absorb it back into the coin.
@23Vasquez23 said:
Just to prove your wrong and I left by the window of my house where the sunlight would hit it direct just to see what would happen and the bronze bleed out of the coin but after I removed it, it seemed to absorb it back into the coin. When the coin is tested, results will show that nothing was altered or done to the coin. Test results won’t lie.
Haha, I would have loved to see a Timelapse video of the bronze bleeding out in the sunlight and being “absorbed” back in when out of the light. That must have been a sight to see!
In all seriousness there is nothing correct information wise in these last few posts. I don’t think this is going to have the outcome you like, but as I always say, good luck!
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@23Vasquez23 said:
Just to prove your wrong and I left by the window of my house where the sunlight would hit it direct just to see what would happen and the bronze bleed out of the coin but after I removed it, it seemed to absorb it back into the coin. When the coin is tested, results will show that nothing was altered or done to the coin. Test results won’t lie.
The only substance that would ever "bleed out" of this piece would be a chemical darkener. Bronze doesn't "bleed out".
@23Vasquez23 said:
Just to prove your wrong and I left by the window of my house where the sunlight would hit it direct just to see what would happen and the bronze bleed out of the coin but after I removed it, it seemed to absorb it back into the coin.
There are literally thousands of 1943 steel cents that have been copper plated to be sold to collectors as a novelty. Many of these cents wound up in circulation and some experienced surface deterioration similar to what I see on your coin. Until this coin is slabbed by one of the major grading services, this coin will only be worth face value the coin collecting community.
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@23Vasquez23 said:
The officer that conducted the test on the coin explained to me very well in details about the coin that’s why the coin will be resubmitted. If results would have been negative then I would not even consider resubmitting the coin. At the end anyone can say anything but the graders and results will have the final decision.
Even when supposedly the coins were copper coated, the zinc would be removed before plated the coin. This coin has the zinc. Either way well when everything is finalized, il post results for sure.
@23Vasquez23 said:
Even when supposedly the coins were copper coated, the zinc would be removed before plated the coin. This coin has the zinc. Either way well when everything is finalized, il post results for sure.
Like the results you have been promising to post on the NGC forum for the past three months? Better odds that men will be living on the moon before you post any update.
@23Vasquez23 said:
Even when supposedly the coins were copper coated, the zinc would be removed before plated the coin. This coin has the zinc. Either way well when everything is finalized, il post results for sure.
There were several different companies that copper plated the 1943 steel cent and I'm sure some didn't bother to completely strip the zinc coating. When you send it to PCGS or NGC for slabbing, I suggest requesting that their conservation service look at it to remove any active corrosion. It'll still get a details grade but they may be able to improve your coin's appearance.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I hope that you, @23Vasquez23 are correct. You are a serious numismatist stuck in a forum with a bunch of meming clowns. Post your finds in other forums of better repute. Come back with or without the prize.
@23Vasquez23 said:
The officer that conducted the test on the coin explained to me very well in details about the coin that’s why the coin will be resubmitted. If results would have been negative then I would not even consider resubmitting the coin. At the end anyone can say anything but the graders and results will have the final decision.
@Saam said:
If you really think it's something special and/or different, quit handing it with your bare hands. Put it in a sleeve or 2X2.
While decent advice, believe everyone, this really has no bearing here! Can’t really do any more damage numismatically from a value of 2 cents to 2 cents! 😜
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@23Vasquez23 said:
You’re not gonna tell me 1943 steel cents have copper/bronze. That’s the only coin the US mint that doesn’t contain copper what’s so ever.
It looks like a rusted (dirty copper colored is the way they come) 1943 1C. Good luck to you. I have about 5 just like yours.
Wow... 7 year old thread and the updated version looks to be a different coin than the OPs... unless it took that long to scrub the fingerprints. I'm guessing two different copper plated steel cents...
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This has been a strange thread over the years. I've clicked on it every single time it gets resurrected. This latest chapter is the best though. Coins bleeding bronze from window sunlight! Coin Officers!
@23Vasquez23 said:
Just to prove your wrong and I left by the window of my house where the sunlight would hit it direct just to see what would happen and the bronze bleed out of the coin but after I removed it, it seemed to absorb it back into the coin. When the coin is tested, results will show that nothing was altered or done to the coin. Test results won’t lie.
Please post your name and the results of your three day walkthrough at NGC as you have promised to do for many months now but have failed to do. Thank you.
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Both are proving it’s not copper coated steel. One shows less than half of 1% copper and the other show 0% copper, if I’m reading them right.
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Those are 2 different people posting
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Cast of characters
the OP - boyernumismatics who hasn't posted in years
the current test results on paper - Deannalea1976 who is relatively new here and was first a contestant on this thread in 2019
the NGC submitter who posted the screenshot of the electronic results - 23Vasquez23 who is new but just resurrected this
This thread got a lot of posts for a fabulous find ON EBAY.
A copper-coated steel cent test piece would likely have the copper plated directly onto the steel (but that is not 100% guaranteed). Normal 1943 steel cents have zinc plating.
So if it could be determined that the coin never had a zinc plating under the copper plating, than that would indicate that it is a genuine experimental coin.
https://mikebyers.com/12229741.html
Just to prove your wrong and I left by the window of my house where the sunlight would hit it direct just to see what would happen and the bronze bleed out of the coin but after I removed it, it seemed to absorb it back into the coin. When the coin is tested, results will show that nothing was altered or done to the coin. Test results won’t lie.
You’re not gonna tell me 1943 steel cents have copper/bronze. That’s the only coin the US mint that doesn’t contain copper what’s so ever.
And whatever results your posting up are just of coins the US mint made, has nothing to do with the Errors and experimental coins which in most case the won’t be a much of a history unless someone discovers a certain coin. Most error and experimental coins vary in the amount of metal materials that are in it because they were suppose to have been done.
The officer that conducted the test on the coin explained to me very well in details about the coin that’s why the coin will be resubmitted. If results would have been negative then I would not even consider resubmitting the coin. At the end anyone can say anything but the graders and results will have the final decision.
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When I was a kid there was a store in the local mall called Kay Bee Toy & Hobby. They had a small case of coins which included a pile of copper plated 1943 steels that they sold for 75 cents per. To this day I still occasionally see one of them in the hands of an excited owner who thinks they hit the lottery. Of course these all fail the magnet test but many do have a good look to them due to the copper coating having darkened over time.
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Haha, I would have loved to see a Timelapse video of the bronze bleeding out in the sunlight and being “absorbed” back in when out of the light. That must have been a sight to see!
In all seriousness there is nothing correct information wise in these last few posts. I don’t think this is going to have the outcome you like, but as I always say, good luck!
The only substance that would ever "bleed out" of this piece would be a chemical darkener. Bronze doesn't "bleed out".
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
It's VERY hot at his house.
There are literally thousands of 1943 steel cents that have been copper plated to be sold to collectors as a novelty. Many of these cents wound up in circulation and some experienced surface deterioration similar to what I see on your coin. Until this coin is slabbed by one of the major grading services, this coin will only be worth face value the coin collecting community.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Well I got the results myself and everything is confirmed now the coin will get retested by the grading company just to make it official.
Even when supposedly the coins were copper coated, the zinc would be removed before plated the coin. This coin has the zinc. Either way well when everything is finalized, il post results for sure.
Like the results you have been promising to post on the NGC forum for the past three months?
Better odds that men will be living on the moon before you post any update.
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With .39% being the total content of copper in the Lincoln, there isn’t enough copper available to coat the coin.
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MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
There were several different companies that copper plated the 1943 steel cent and I'm sure some didn't bother to completely strip the zinc coating. When you send it to PCGS or NGC for slabbing, I suggest requesting that their conservation service look at it to remove any active corrosion. It'll still get a details grade but they may be able to improve your coin's appearance.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I hope that you, @23Vasquez23 are correct. You are a serious numismatist stuck in a forum with a bunch of meming clowns. Post your finds in other forums of better repute. Come back with or without the prize.
Has your coin been previously submitted?
If you really think it's something special and/or different, quit handing it with your bare hands. Put it in a sleeve or 2X2.
While decent advice, believe everyone, this really has no bearing here! Can’t really do any more damage numismatically from a value of 2 cents to 2 cents! 😜
Two different people posting
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It looks like a rusted (dirty copper colored is the way they come) 1943 1C. Good luck to you. I have about 5 just like yours.
Wow... 7 year old thread and the updated version looks to be a different coin than the OPs... unless it took that long to scrub the fingerprints. I'm guessing two different copper plated steel cents...
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Wait, I think that I miscontextualized that last meme—
This has been a strange thread over the years. I've clicked on it every single time it gets resurrected. This latest chapter is the best though. Coins bleeding bronze from window sunlight! Coin Officers!
I store this one on the front of my refrigerator.
$500,000 !
The wife says I should keep it. Too essential in my "Greasy Finger Collection".
Please post your name and the results of your three day walkthrough at NGC as you have promised to do for many months now but have failed to do. Thank you.
This thread is a magnet for new, uninformed members.
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Go to the NGC forum and read his posts over there
