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Fairlaneman
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Take a look at this coin and Please tell me what I am missing about its Grade or Color. Got PCGS Code 92 which is cleaning. I just do not see a cleaning job like you would see on a Silver Coin.
another shot from a slightly different angle.
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I'm guessing they don't like the color?
Otherwise I'd say 64BN
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Images can only "tell" so much. It needs to be viewed "in hand" for an accurate assessment. It "looks" ok from the images, but the graders apparently saw something else in hand.
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It may be just the pics, but the color looks unnatural. It looks kind of bronze or brass colored. I am guessing that PCGS put it in a Gen Holder for recolored.
What PCGS Code would that be?
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Punch the cert number in and it should tell you the bodybag code
QC code is 91 and that is not what this coin got. So it looks like the color was good on this coin. Anyone see another problem. I sure do not. Click on the pictures and they will get bigger if that helps.
Ken
What is the 'punch' mark above the center of the feather headdress, below and to the left of the O in of ?
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Just a little indentation on the planchet. Not damage.
I'm curious now. It looks pretty normal to me...
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Perhaps something was off to them about the color, and they miscoded it. Or it could go through if it was worth it to even resubmit. I still have in my collection a nice unc 1909 Indian cent from my high school purchasing days, that a few years back I decided to have graded. First attempt was the classic bodybag for QC. Which I thought was incorrect. Second time through it came back 64RB, which is how I left it; though Warren Mills wrote on a sticker, still stuck on the slab: "should 65." That's what opinions are like, as they say.
Me too.
Looking again at the OP coin, in the second set of images I think I see VERY faint lines going across the face? But as they appear in the image, that's a little picky. Or perhaps like most images, there's only so much you can tell, vs. in-hand. Probably it could well grade next time through, as my cent did (assuming it's in a GEN holder and that's why you're asking.)
Looks nice, but as said above there does appear to be very, very light hairlines on the face. Maybe you should resubmit.
Best to look at it against graded coins of the same date. You need a good reference, but I can see why they detailed it.
I saw the very light hairlines/slide marks also and they are just on the cheek. No obvious out and out cleaning that I see on the obverse or reverse. From my Indians I submitted PCGS seemed to be tough on them but fair I believe.
Ken
If I understand correctly, this did not straight-grade at PCGS, but it was okay for color and the dig above the headdress is not the issue. Might it have had a spot removed at 1:00 on the reverse? Perhaps it was wiped as the portrait looks to have myriad hairlines running across it that do not belong to the underlying fabric of the coin.
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What is the spot between the "L" and the lowest headdress feather?
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If there are no obvious signs of cleaning (and the cheek looks a little troubling) then resubmit it. If it again comes back "cleaned" sit it on a windowsill for several months, turning occasionally. Repeat as necessary.
Of course we are talking about a $100 coin so maybe just move on?
Lance.
Cleaning is hard to tell from a pic. To me the color looks unusual. You might dip it in acetone and resubmit.
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Tom I think the problem is the Very Light hairlines on the cheek. They are Very Very Light as my camera would hardly pick them up.
Just a shadow.
You are correct about the move on mode.
I will take it to the Dealer I purchased it from and see what he has to say about the coin. He is Very Very good with copper. I will not insist on a return. If he wants it I will let him purchase it back.
Thanks Everyone for taking a look at this coin. I will have to look closer at coins in the future before submitting them.
Ken
The color looks odd an unnatural to me. I think it's been dipped, and it did not turn out well. It looks like there is too much tin and zinc in the upper layers of the surfaces and not enough copper color.
Just one of those things. It's a common enough date and on a different day I'd bet it could straight grade. I think moving on and not putting more $ into it makes sense.
Bill it went code 92 at PCGS not 91.
Ken
If it got bagged from cleaning then the color is not right either if you ask me. I was not going to say cleaned because I could not tell from the pics. Our host will note the more severe problem in case of there being more than one problem with a coin. I have seen coins in problem holders that were noted cleaned on the holder but also questionable color or AT as well.
Hi Ken,
Just wondering what the brown spots are on
the rev. between the N's, also right of the
lower N and below it extending under the E .
They seem out of place.
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That is some lighter tone which is Bluish/Purple. I think that's what you are looking at.
Ken
I see the lines on the cheek, however, and this is judging from the pictures, they appear more like handling/storage lines than cleaning... I would resubmit this one... Cheers, RickO
Nice coin Ken....should have graded.
I think they should have graded it AU58.
i can't tell by the photos, but it looks like maybe it was whizzed a little in some of the fields...? especially above E in ONE on the rev.