Red Flip Group Sub Interest Thread - MOST CARDS SHIPPED - PLS PAY FOR SHIPPING - SEE THREAD

VitoCo1972

Hey all, I spoke to PSA. Please post interest here. Once again, we're looking at $15 per card. I'm happy to split the sub into some categories. I think it's best to use the following ones but I can be convinced otherwise:

1) Grade Card AND Auto
2) Grade Card And Auto Authentic Only (if you want the original #3 AUTH/AUTH please set minimum card grade)
3) Tallboy Grade Card And Auto

These submissions are a lot of work and I'd prefer not to separate into more than 4 categories. If an argument can be made to change up a category, I'm ok with it.

We'd need to hit at least the 500 card mark all in to get this done. Please post best guesses here. Note that if you're posting a range ("maybe 10-20"), I'm only counting the bottom edge of your range to estimate whether we can get to the amount of cards necessary.

Also, I will be sending out an excel sheet to fill out when we come up with final numbers if we can get this going. Thanks.

CONFIRMED AND RECEIVED ALL CARDS AND PAYMENTS!
112: VitoCo1972
10: PSAASAP
10: churchiscool
11: rtimmer
10: ghooper33
40: Brandon554
22: MyDaughtersNameIsMattingly
10: spanky74
11: ugaskidawg
20: InitialD
44: miwlvrn
16: MrHockey
14: luftmich
49: tonylags
7 - basketballcollector
33: Andrew96
10: MDillon
31: RipublicanInMA
10: stagno33
12: Slum22
11: BunchOBull
7: yankeesNo7
20: CopperJJ
110: RailsideCards
50: Autos4Alex
11: xtrain000
TOTAL: 699 spread across the three submissions

NOTE: all cards are now in PSA's possession!

luftmich

In for 10 (likely more) "Grade Card And Auto Authentic Only"

Thank you for putting this together

kcherevka

Put me down for at least one. Grade Card AND Auto.

My son got Patrick Peterson to sign a card for him at a Cardinals practice. Think it would be cool to get it slabbed for him.

Huge thanks for putting this together.

miwlvrn

maybe 20 to 25-ish for option 1 (standard size w/ card grade)

and

maybe somewhere between 5 & 10 for option 4 (tallboy w/ card grade)

tonylags

Put me down for 50; I would probably prefer option 1, but I'll go with the majority.

Can I use Cards in other holders too? If so, I would be closer to 75/80; For example I have some in other no name holders and some in GAI already

VitoCo1972

Cards in other holders would need to be cracked out. Cannot submit in existing non-psa holders. Also, there's a 10 card minimum. I apologize but there just has to be. It's a ton of time packing up people's stuff as it is. In the past, people with a few cards have pooled them and submitted that way.

jeff550

I'm in for at least 25, and if anyone has less than 10 I've worked on other group subs a few places, so I would be willing to take add ons, and can show proof of other works since I haven't been here very long. Thanks for putting this together!

RailsideCards

I will have 160 for option 2

Dboneesq

Mike - What's the max value on each card that can be sent in under this special?

ghooper33

I would be down for 10 under #2.

Thanks!

miwlvrn

@miwlvrn said:
maybe 20 to 25-ish for option 1 (standard size w/ card grade)

and

maybe somewhere between 5 & 10 for option 4 (tallboy w/ card grade)

I don't have a super strong preference distinguishing between option 1 and option 2 so if only one of those is going to fly, so be it. Would really like to have the tallboy option included like last time around though.

I am not very interested in option 3 however.

VitoCo1972

All 4 options will be on the table. Choosing between them isn't a question. I was just saying I'm not going to do more than those four

ugaskidawg

I know you said a minimum of 10. Currently I have 8 for sure and trying to see if I have 2 more lying around that I want to get graded. If not then I guess I will sit this round out.

OldEnglishD5

I would do 10. Thanks

vintagefun

Brent - I have a few that I can send your way for a piggyback piggyback.

MyDaughtersNameIsMattingly

Between 20-25 for grade card and auto authentic only, thanks.

We can declare a minimum grade, correct?

RedHeart54

At least one for me for option 3- this would only authenticate the card and auto with no numerical grades as I understand it. I don't really need the numerical grades.

(Would need to piggyback with jeff550.)

vintagefun

If we have 10 cards can they be distributed to different categories, or do they all need to be the same?

mknez

10ish for me, probably mostly authentic only, but some may be card grade only.

VitoCo1972

Yes, can cross different categories. 10 min is only for shipping purposes.

@vintagefun said:
If we have 10 cards can they be distributed to different categories, or do they all need to be the same?

VitoCo1972

Confirmed under $250 is max value.

churchiscool

gonna say 10 at least across the first 3 options. thanks mike! was waiting for this...

stagno33

Mike, I'm in for 10.

VitoCo1972

I'll consolidate number tonight, gents. Would be good to add up where we're at. Thanks.

rtimmer

I should have about 10 for either option 1 or 2.

ugaskidawg

Between Jim and I, we will have at least 10. Thanks for organizing this.

Nascar360

Put me down for at least 10

yankeeno7

I will in for a few but can't tell you how many yet. I'm on vacation and return home on April 2

tonylags

Any chance we can get card = authentic and auto = grade. Just checking ebay that seems to be popular or do one of the options include that and I am not seeing it. But NBD if not possible

Brandon554

Put me down for 30

VitoCo1972

In that scenario, it'd probably be cheaper of you to do blue flip, no?

@tonylags said:
Any chance we can get card = authentic and auto = grade. Just checking ebay that seems to be popular or do one of the options include that and I am not seeing it. But NBD if not possible

Dboneesq

@VitoCo1972 said:
In that scenario, it'd probably be cheaper of you to do blue flip, no?

Mike, I don't think the Blue Flip authenticates the card. PSA would not differentiate between an original card or a reprint.

RedHeart54

@Dboneesq said:

@VitoCo1972 said:
In that scenario, it'd probably be cheaper of you to do blue flip, no?

Mike, I don't think the Blue Flip authenticates the card. PSA would not differentiate between an original card or a reprint.

Exactly, and that is why we're doing a red flip sub. The blue flips used to state the name and year of the card but now they just say "trading card" which completely kills the marketing or allure of a very difficult/valuable signed card (e.g. a 1979 Topps Thurman Munson). The other problem with the old or new blues is they are essentially ghosts where the pop report is concerned because there is NO pop report for blues.

Is anyone is planning on cracking out any old blue flips in order to change them into reds.? (OR would PSA even change them over like a reholdering? Not on this sub, of course, but in general?)

CopperJJ

Are multi-signed cards included as long as valued under $250?

miwlvrn

Any ballpark estimate for approx when you'd like to receive items by in order to participate in the group sub?

initialD

He's asking for card authenticated and auto graded
That would add an option

I can add to this, will have to go through them

CopperJJ

I have 20 to send in. Thanks for putting this together.

Dboneesq

@RedHeart54 said:
Is anyone is planning on cracking out any old blue flips in order to change them into reds.? (OR would PSA even change them over like a reholdering? Not on this sub, of course, but in general?)

PSA used to allow you to send in Blue Flips and they would cross them to Red Flips for the price of an ordinary card (ie Monthy $6.00 special).

HOWEVER, they no longer do this and charge you again to authenticate the auto.

churchiscool

so can you still send in blue flips w/o cracking them out? what if they fail their own blue flip?

RedHeart54

@churchiscool said:
so can you still send in blue flips w/o cracking them out? what if they fail their own blue flip?

Well, see, that's a legitimate concern. Just like cracking out for the hope of a better grade, it could very well become an even lesser grade.

Ironmanfan

I'm in for 10

Thanks
IMF

BunchOBull

I'm in for 10 or maybe a couple more.

RipublicaninMass

I'll scrape up 10, red flip with CARD grade

Cardcollecta12

I'm in for 30 under Option #1

Autos4Alex

I'm in for 50-100, mixture of options 1/4

slum22

I would be in for a minimum of 10 for either Option 1 or 2 (I prefer 2 probably but have no problem doing option 1 if that is the way it goes). Thanks for putting this on.

VitoCo1972

List up to date. Have to tell you...the auto grade kind of drives me nuts. I have no idea what the criteria is. A received a sub back last week and a couple of the autos were graded 7 and were clean blue sharpie signatures w/ no smudging or dead-sharpie lines. Whatever.

basketballcollector

I'd be in for at least 5, perhaps more.

basketballcollector

@RedHeart54 said:

@Dboneesq said:

@VitoCo1972 said:
In that scenario, it'd probably be cheaper of you to do blue flip, no?

Mike, I don't think the Blue Flip authenticates the card. PSA would not differentiate between an original card or a reprint.

Exactly, and that is why we're doing a red flip sub. The blue flips used to state the name and year of the card but now they just say "trading card" which completely kills the marketing or allure of a very difficult/valuable signed card (e.g. a 1979 Topps Thurman Munson). The other problem with the old or new blues is they are essentially ghosts where the pop report is concerned because there is NO pop report for blues.

Is anyone is planning on cracking out any old blue flips in order to change them into reds.? (OR would PSA even change them over like a reholdering? Not on this sub, of course, but in general?)

The blue flip is perfect for cuts, small photos, and reprint cards.

ugaskidawg

You have me and Jim's (vintagefun) names up there - we are piggybacking with each other, so together we have one sub coming to you if this moves forward.

RipublicaninMass

@VitoCo1972 said:
List up to date. Have to tell you...the auto grade kind of drives me nuts. I have no idea what the criteria is. A received a sub back last week and a couple of the autos were graded 7 and were clean blue sharpie signatures w/ no smudging or dead-sharpie lines. Whatever.

Yet dope(s) are touting their "9 and 10" auto grades that are also in sharpie, and executed by 90 year old men! Is there no concession given to players previous vintage autograph? Me thinks we need auto grade that goes to 11!