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TonerGuyTonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭
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I have to say this might be a fake or is the best whizzing/polishing job of a real coin I have ever seen... I wish I could see this in hand. Someone was very detailed....

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  • MorganMan94MorganMan94 Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess would be that had a good polishing, I could see it being very convincing to someone without much knowledge though.

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Funny..... :)

  • TonerGuyTonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭

    @MorganMan94 said:
    My guess would be that had a good polishing, I could see it being very convincing to someone without much knowledge though.

    Oh I agree but whoever did it put some love and care into it. Except for the rays to the left of the Eagle's back, it seems like they did a very detailed job. Id love to own it just for the craftsmanship it required. It had to be hard to polish between the rays near the bottom.

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Former Blue moon coins on Ebay job? They used to pedal sandblasted phony cameo proof peace dollars a few years back

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "...whoever did it put some love and care into it..."

    No. It's called greed and fraud that they put into it....!

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,274 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There was someone on ebay a few years ago who would work on coins with an air powered abrasive unit and create PL surfaces. Some folks are very handy with these gadgets.

  • TonerGuyTonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭

    @RogerB said:
    "...whoever did it put some love and care into it..."

    No. It's called greed and fraud that they put into it....!

    I dont see this as any different than any other attempt to "improve" a coin for financial gain, including dipping.

    Any alteration to make a potential buyer believe that a coin is better than what it was is motivated by greed and is fraudulent.

  • TonerGuyTonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭

    @bronco2078 said:
    Former Blue moon coins on Ebay job? They used to pedal sandblasted phony cameo proof peace dollars a few years back

    Are they still on Ebay or have they been banned ?

  • AzurescensAzurescens Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But if the guy used a high pressure sulfur gadget and made it look like rainbows ponies and unicorns it'd be OK and fetch thousands.

  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not even close.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That coin is fish bait.... the fish being the inexperienced coin collectors..... ;) Cheers, RickO

  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have seen a few flashy Peace dollars over the years, but nothing close to anything looking like that. I can't imagine many collectors being fooled by this one. At least I would hope not.

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  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TonerGuy said:

    @bronco2078 said:
    Former Blue moon coins on Ebay job? They used to pedal sandblasted phony cameo proof peace dollars a few years back

    Are they still on Ebay or have they been banned ?

    I'm not sure if they are still around. It seems to me they also "made" some DCAM ASE "proofs" the same way of the date the mint didn't make , 2009??

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,799 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those who know the history of Proofing and Peace Dollars know that the mint would have never made a brilliant Proof Peace Dollar like this. The only pieces that were made were Matte Proofs with a dull finish.

    As for "love and care," there wasn't any. It was pure "G-R-E-E-D" intended to fool an inexperienced buyer.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • northcoinnorthcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 21, 2017 10:03PM

    @BillJones said:
    Those who know the history of Proofing and Peace Dollars know that the mint would have never made a brilliant Proof Peace Dollar like this. The only pieces that were made were Matte Proofs with a dull finish.

    As for "love and care," there wasn't any. It was pure "G-R-E-E-D" intended to fool an inexperienced buyer.

    Actually the Mint did make two different kinds of proofs for 1921 and NGC has certified both kinds.

    (I note Bill has corrected/clarified the above quote in a subsequent post agreeing that there were both Matte Proofs and Proofs with a Satin Finish.)

  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reminds me of the artificial frost that was applied on

    Morgan dollars .

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,799 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @northcoin said:

    @BillJones said:
    Those who know the history of Proofing and Peace Dollars know that the mint would have never made a brilliant Proof Peace Dollar like this. The only pieces that were made were Matte Proofs with a dull finish.

    As for "love and care," there wasn't any. It was pure "G-R-E-E-D" intended to fool an inexperienced buyer.

    Actually the mind did make two different kinds of proofs for 1921 and NGC has certified both kinds.

    The only types of Proofs according to "Coin Facts" and other sources is sand blasted with anique finish, the Matte finish and a Satin Finish Proof according to Breen. None of them were brilliant Proofs.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I say it's fake.

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  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A "Colorado Proof"!
    Only PCGS can determine. Send it in!

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @abcde12345 said:
    A "Colorado Proof"!
    Only PCGS can determine. Send it in!

    I thought they were called "California Proofs", it doesn't take PCGS to determine this is one of those.

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  • northcoinnorthcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 22, 2017 10:52PM

    @BillJones said:

    @northcoin said:

    @BillJones said:
    Those who know the history of Proofing and Peace Dollars know that the mint would have never made a brilliant Proof Peace Dollar like this. The only pieces that were made were Matte Proofs with a dull finish.

    As for "love and care," there wasn't any. It was pure "G-R-E-E-D" intended to fool an inexperienced buyer.

    Actually the mind did make two different kinds of proofs for 1921 and NGC has certified both kinds.

    The only types of Proofs according to "Coin Facts" and other sources is sand blasted with anique finish, the Matte finish and a Satin Finish Proof according to Breen. None of them were brilliant Proofs.

    Thanks for correcting/clarifying that there were two different kinds of proofs for 1921 - both a Matte and a Satin Finish.

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "California Proofs" are minted for Morgans. Peace dollars are from Colorado or so a collector at our local coin club bragged about.

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OK, I am going to say something unpopular: I like this coin for its aesthetic appearance.

    That said, I have no doubt that it is "treated" and agree with the previous posts about its origins.

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.

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