**UPDATE** Big eBay scam alert....1910-d $10 PCGS MS67 + 1864 Dollar PCGS PR65
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****A dormant account, probably hijacked, is attempting a scam on eBay. The listing is for a 1910-d $10 Indian PCGS MS-67 and 1864 Seated Dollar PCGS PR65:
ebay.com/itm/1910-D-Indian-Ten-Dollar-10-Eagle-Gold-Coin-PCGS-MS-67-Finest-Known-None-Finer-/382000533263?hash=item58f1018f0f:g:ryIAAOSw32lYxizu
The pictures were stolen from Ian's site (Great Collections) from sales this past week:
greatcollections.com/Coin/403415/1864-Seated-Liberty-Silver-Dollar-PCGS-Proof-65-Toned
greatcollections.com/Coin/401121/1910-D-Indian-Gold-Eagle-PCGS-MS-67
The give away is the reverse of the PCGS holder. Notice the 1864 reverse sticker on the eBay listing is a fake and clearly does not match-up with the sticker in the GC picture.
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Wow - I guess he decided to sell 2 in one auction for a double scam
Interesting that the QR code looks different for the 64 dollar (PCGS 80550494) but the coin is the same coin.
I believe the scammer printed-up a sticker, took a picture of it, and over laid it on top of the picture he took from GC.
What happens when you scan the QR code in the eBay auction? I've actually never scanned a PCGS QR code.
And the bid is over 40k already.. someone is gonna go thru alot of BS but will be made whole by paypal.
Looks legit. They've been on ebay for years now without a single complaint. Unfair trying to undermine their auction. Are you a competitor?
The change on the slab QR code for PCGS 80550494 is interesting. Would PCGS change the QR code while keeping the cert number?
Zero feedback for a long time then the highest bidding items show up on ebay on the account.
I don't know the inner workings of pcgs as they keep that a secret. Rightfully so. Kind of like the Coca-Cola recipe or even the eleven herbs and spices for Kentucky Fried Chicken. Only pcgs would have the ability to answer your question even though it is a good one. Sorry I can't help you.
Ya, the label on the back for sure does not match, and after blowing it up I think I can see where he photoshopped the other one on. Weird.
That may be simply a security measure taken to thwort opportunists from taking advantage and preying on the novice collector.
As you can see, the symbols between the 2 squares, on the bottom left of the PCGS label are not even close. This scammer photoshopped a different label over his picture of the coin.
@ianrussell might want to check in on this
Also look at the top left of the label. One only show "P", and the other shows "PCG".
I've been amazed at some of your replies to threads in recent months. Is all of this tongue in cheek? An ALT just having fun?
No, but re-reading my reply has me aware I misspelled thwart and for that I am a bit ashamed.
Mitchel,
When we were talking earlier, I mentioned I remember seeing the 1864 Dollar as well, so they both came from ians auctions. Ian frequents this forum, so hopefully it catches his attention
Jim,
I was able to find both coins at GC after you pointed out the 1910-d having come from there. Looks like this scammer is gonna clean-up big time. I don't know if Ian can really do much about this, I think it's really more eBay's problem.
Is the cross toned ASE he has up from GC too?
I shot that coin for another dealer a little while back. I sent him a message to see if he still has it. Looks nothing like those pics.
Wow.
Who in their right mind would pay that much for a choice coin on ebay with a seller that has not sold or received ANY feedback in a year....let alone 227 lifetime....just begs to be ripped off.
LETS HOPE for 50K plus that the winner is going to take a mini vacation and picking up in person.
Reported to ebay, I assume others have as well?
I keep seeing your posts and think: wow, this account has a knack for being on the wrong side of an argument.
Actually they haven't been on eBay for over a year. Looks very non-legit, especially with using Great Collection photos. Add in a different back label where the choices are either a convoluted re-labeling scheme (plausible) vs a doctored photo (plausible and a simpler answer) and this screams 'use caution'.
It seems obvious to those who frequent eBay auctions and do due diligence. But, perhaps not to others who are newer. Sad as this is a big ticket item, drop the costs and this would easily fly under the radar.
Of course it could be the GC buyer, now flipping the coin and 'borrowing' the photos of his/her coin, and editing the labels etc. Convoluted but possible, if less likely than a scamster at work with a hacked account. It is incumbent upon the seller to exhibit trustworthiness, and not deflect efforts to ensure an honest transaction.
Is it your auction? Easy enough to allay concerns by adding a few extra shots showing possession, even if they aren't as nice as @ianrussell /GreatCollection's photos.
I doubt Paypal would let that much money go through without flagging it.
BST references several
Welp, I reported it.
"More than a year ago" reads the feedback.
one of my customers was intrested
Yikes, run fast and run far!!!
This Seller has 5 other coins: http://www.ebay.com/sch/oceancoinandcard/m.html?item=382000533263&hash=item58f1018f0f:g:ryIAAOSw32lYxizu&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
Successful BST transactions with forum members thebigeng, SPalladino, Zoidmeister, coin22lover, coinsarefun, jwitten, CommemKing.
Still up and at 65K with 8 hrs. To go. What are the chances that the winner will get those coins? Slim to none.
eBay ID-bruceshort978
Successful BST:here and ATS, bumanchu, wdrob, hashtag, KeeNoooo, mikej61, Yonico, Meltdown, BAJJERFAN, Excaliber, lordmarcovan, cucamongacoin, robkool, bradyc, tonedcointrader, mumu, Windycity, astrotrain, tizofthe, overdate, rwyarmch, mkman123, Timbuk3,GBurger717, airplanenut, coinkid855 ,illini420, michaeldixon, Weiss, Morpheus, Deepcoin, Collectorcoins, AUandAG, D.Schwager.
Clown. But by the looks of things at this moment a 65K richer clown.
If the auction goes through will the seller have to wait for the funds until the buyer leaves feedback?
Haha, are you the eBay seller ? Its a scam !
I think the bids might be scam too, to make paypal pay.
Wow... $68,500..... final price....Now begins the tale of woe... for someone. We will likely never know the final story here... Cheers, RickO
I have bought from this seller multiple times in the past. It is possible he actually bought these both from great collections and then sold them on ebay. If so he just made $10,000+
What would be the logic of a seller who has no feedback for a long time suddenly running some high end items, especially these two in tandem? There are "concerned" dealers who step in to bid up fake listings high to spare people the trouble. This one was: c***i(11941)
Seller now has zero items up. Hopefully eBay killed the rest and are not letting this sale go through.
Ok Guys here is an update:
I was the high bidder. I truly felt this was a scam and honestly wanted to do my part in keeping the community safe. Ive been a seller on ebay for 18 years. So I wake up to find I am high bidder. Seller notifies me not to use paypal as they cant accept payments that high, so I said I was bidding on behalf of my customer and we would send out a cashiers check. Later in the day, I contacted the seller stating my customer had not brought by the funds , so it would be some time. I get several correspondence's back with them being very upset that I might be trying to get out of the sale, and need to make the payment myself. I openly apologized for this and was then blasted by the seller for screwing them over about how much they lost on setting up the sale because they needed the funds for a real estate deal, and they wouldn't be able to relist it again. Now , Ill be honest, at this point I got a little worried that I might have screwed up thinking it was a scam when truly it wasn't. I actually started to feel bad as one thing I have tried to do In all my business is to be straight up with folks and honor commitments. I called ebay and basically told them a customer I was bidding on behalf of , didn't have the funds after he had me bid. They said just ask for a cancelation which the seller did not accept, so ebay basically said you'll take an item strike. I said ok. At this point, I am a little upset at myself for possibly messing up this sellers sale, the seller let me know that several under bidders had declined the secondary offer, and was even more outraged. Feeling bad about then, thinking about Joe b post on prior business with this guy and maybe its legit, I get about 7-10 warning correspondances from ebay letting me know the account had been hijacked and if had had made any payments for the item to contact local law enforcement. A that point I am glad I helped save somebody. I know what its like to be scammed out of a bunch of funds . I lost 20K+ to a dealer scam artist about a year and half ago(not ebay ) so I know what it feels like.
WOW Jim......The second the seller said NOT to use Paypal is proof enough for me. I'm happy nobody was scammed out of $65K.
PS: If this scammer had not listed these 2 completely unrelated coins in one listing, I don't think anyone would have caught this.
Guess ebay won't be giving that "strike" for non-payment now..
This CROOK, oceancoinandcard, is now starting to get the negative feedbacks from the people that he tried to swindle. He recently sold coins on eBay that he does not own with pictures he stole from various coin auction sites: ebay.com/sch/oceancoinandcard/m.html?item=382022332636&nma=true&orig_cvip=true&si=cdFyriHIl2FcSx%252BWv6Rs6o220Nc%253D&_sop=1&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2046732.m1684
These coin pictures were stolen from Stack's, he does NOT possess these coins:
old.stacksbowers.com/browseauctions/lotdetail.aspx?AuctionID=6154&Lot=4038
old.stacksbowers.com/BrowseAuctions/LotDetail/tabid/227/AuctionID/6154/Lot/1258/Default.aspx
old.stacksbowers.com/browseauctions/lotdetail.aspx?AuctionID=6154&Lot=2202
Wow... a real con artist.... thanks for the heads up..... Cheers, RickO
You can easily buy "good reviews" for any site in any quantity.
Just Google it.
"Just because you were born on 3rd base doesn't mean you hit a triple"
It took a long time, but, eBay finally accepted the FACT that this crook, oceancoinandcard, was committing major crimes on eBay and NARU'd his account:
feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=oceancoinandcard&ftab=AllFeedback
For those interested, here are are a few of his fraudulent sales on eBay:
ebay.com/sch/oceancoinandcard/m.html?item=382022332636&nma=true&orig_cvip=true&si=cdFyriHIl2FcSx%252BWv6Rs6o220Nc%253D&_sop=1&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2046732.m1684