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Flying Eagle Cent pick up
ShafferRareCoins
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Just picked this up 1857 flying eagle Cent today! Just figured I'd post it up here to see what y'all think!
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ShafferRareCoins
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ShafferRareCoins
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I hope you got a discount since it isn't all there....
I wonder if it really circulated or if it was someone's pocket piece.
Pretty rare I would imagine.
"Flying towards the crescent moon" variety - I like it!
I would imagine Rick Snow will see and respond to this. Exquisite piece . . . . and now let's see what he thinks of this!
Great post!
Drunner
I must confess that I have some reservations about this piece and would to see what Fred Weinberg and perhaps Eagle Eye think of it. My concerns center on the style of the obverse lettering, and the total lack of lettering from bottom of the eagle's wing and tail. I'm far from an expert on errors, and I could well wrong, but I would want some expert advice before I paid a high price for this.
I have seen counterfeit errors of early U.S. coinage, and not far fetched to be concerned about mid 19th century coins as well.
Good eye @BillJones I'd say I agree with your evaluation after comparing the date to just a couple of coins in CoinFacts, it doesn't look like there's much of a chance that it's real.
The obv lettering does seem pretty crude, especially the base of the "D" and the overly thin center of the "S."
Not right.
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My first thought was it does not look right.
That letter N looks a bit to spindly ... the 8 and 5 in the date also seem way too thin.
It is not unusual for the letters and digits on broad-struck coins to appear thin.
I don't see anything that would lead me to believe it is counterfeit.
Not sure if this helps or not, but here's a picture of the date
Mine
A sold one from heritage auctions 10% Off center (Mine is about 15%)
Interesting to learn that. That's what I like about this place. Thanks for the information.
That is unique.... Hope the experts chime in on this one.... Cheers, RickO
I was looking at this on an iPad late last night which does not give the best of images, especially when the image is small. Now that I have seen it on my desktop, I am sure I don't like it. Yes, the piece is made off-center which can distort things, but the lettering is just too far off to say "genuine" to me.
Yes ago a person came to at an EAC convention with a "1796 half cent struck over a cut-down 1796 cent planchet." If this had been real it would have been an earth moving discovery in early copper. The 1796 half cent has been a known major rarity for over 150 years in the hobby and no one has ever seen something like this.
As it turned the piece looked "brand new" and the surfaces were not something that I have even seen a high grade piece of early copper. It was very likely of Chinese origin and was soon branded as such by the experts.
Here is a Mint State 1857 Flying Eagle cent to which you can compare the lettering on the possible off center struck piece.
It's got the same weird shaped 8 and 5 in the date as the one from the Heritage auction -- were there different obverse dies?
It's back!! VF-30,15% Off-Center. Extremely pleased with PCGS's quick turnaround time!
Congrats and good for you.
Looking good in the Trueview.
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Very cool
Major score!!
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I missed this the first time around! Very nice error!
As @dcarr mentions, lettering is very often distorted on off-center and broadstruck coins. During the strike, the metal is flowing upward and outward. Each incuse die element has ridge walls which sit parallel to the edge of the coin and act as a dam to the metal flowing in this upward and outward manner. That's why there tends to be more metal fill on the tops of the lettering, built up behind these ridge walls; and less fill towards the bottom of the lettering where there look to be puckered lips. (I hope someone else can explain that better than I!) If you look at other off-center and broadstruck coins, you will observe the same pattern.
Also, because it is off center, a design rim was not allowed to form and was thus not able to properly protect the design from wear during circulation. This would account for the abnormal wear pattern on this coin.
That is a cool piece! Good job!
Very nice TruView.... Neat coin.... Congratulations.... Cheers, RickO
Nice!
Very nice piece, I always go for the TrueViews due to my aging eyesight and they will benefit you when you decide to sell.
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Can you imagine a piece like that remaining in circulation long enough to pick up that level of wear today. Not only is it an interesting piece, it also reveals something about the status of coin collecting interest among the general public in the mid-19th century.
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The FE is genuine, imo (obvious, since it's in a PCGS holder).
As far as circulation - I've always found it fascinating that there
are SO many well-circulated major errors (both off centers and
double strikes, for example) from not only the early part of the
last century, but going back to early half cents and large cents,
too - thru the late 19th Century.
As 291fifth notes - it's a window into the public's mind set going
back 200 years or so - money was money, and as long as someone
accepted it at face value, what was the big deal about pulling it
out of circulation to save - until, eventually, someone did, with all
of the circulated major mechanical error coins we see today.
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That's really cool!
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It looked good to me, but what do I know. I'm glad it worked out for the OP.
Thanks everyone for the love! She's a unique piece, so I figured I'd show her off a little!
Unique is the word
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