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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,784 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 7:52AM

    https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/auctions/3-6TN06

    Wow.................



    Lot Description
    Exceptional Choice Proof 1873 Judd-1310 Pattern Trade Dollar

    1873 Pattern Trade Dollar. Judd-1310, Pollock-1453. Rarity-4. Silver. Reeded Edge. Proof-64+ (PCGS). CAC.
    Obv: Barber's Indian Princess design with Liberty seated on a rock facing left. Her right hand supports a liberty pole while her left hand rests atop a globe inscribed LIBERTY. A pair of flags is behind the portrait, one of which is ornamented with stars. Thirteen stars encircle the border and the date 1873 is below. Rev: A small eagle with outstretched wings clutches an olive branch in its left talon and a group of three arrows in its right talon. A scroll above the eagle is inscribed with the Latin motto E PLURIBUS UNUM, the motto IN GOD WE TRUST is on a scroll in the lower field, and immediately below the eagle is the inscription 420 GRAINS / 900 FINE. The legend UNITED STATES OF AMERICA lines the upper border and the denomination TRADE DOLLAR is at the lower border. This richly original near-Gem has iridescent gold, blue and lilac undertones to mottled charcoal patina. It is fully struck with appreciable vibrancy to the finish. As with the Judd-1293 specimen offered above, the Mint distributed examples of Judd-1310 to the contemporary public as part of six-piece pattern Proof sets at a price of $30/set. This is one of the finest certified survivors, a beautiful specimen that combines rarity with strong eye appeal.
    PCGS# 61596. NGC ID: 2A8R.
    PCGS Population: 1; 3 finer (Proof-66 finest).
    Provenance: From our (Stack's) sale of the John Work Garrett Collection for The Johns Hopkins University, March 1976, lot 666. Lot tag and collector envelope included.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice! Gotta love that 1936 proof set! <3

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 8:25AM

    @Goldbully said:
    https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/auctions/3-6TN06

    Wow.................



    Lot Description
    Exceptional Choice Proof 1873 Judd-1310 Pattern Trade Dollar

    1873 Pattern Trade Dollar. Judd-1310, Pollock-1453. Rarity-4. Silver. Reeded Edge. Proof-64+ (PCGS). CAC.
    Obv: Barber's Indian Princess design with Liberty seated on a rock facing left. Her right hand supports a liberty pole while her left hand rests atop a globe inscribed LIBERTY. A pair of flags is behind the portrait, one of which is ornamented with stars. Thirteen stars encircle the border and the date 1873 is below. Rev: A small eagle with outstretched wings clutches an olive branch in its left talon and a group of three arrows in its right talon. A scroll above the eagle is inscribed with the Latin motto E PLURIBUS UNUM, the motto IN GOD WE TRUST is on a scroll in the lower field, and immediately below the eagle is the inscription 420 GRAINS / 900 FINE. The legend UNITED STATES OF AMERICA lines the upper border and the denomination TRADE DOLLAR is at the lower border. This richly original near-Gem has iridescent gold, blue and lilac undertones to mottled charcoal patina. It is fully struck with appreciable vibrancy to the finish. As with the Judd-1293 specimen offered above, the Mint distributed examples of Judd-1310 to the contemporary public as part of six-piece pattern Proof sets at a price of $30/set. This is one of the finest certified survivors, a beautiful specimen that combines rarity with strong eye appeal.
    PCGS# 61596. NGC ID: 2A8R.
    PCGS Population: 1; 3 finer (Proof-66 finest).
    Provenance: From our (Stack's) sale of the John Work Garrett Collection for The Johns Hopkins University, March 1976, lot 666. Lot tag and collector envelope included.

    Yup, very nice. I've always loved some of the TD patterns. Some are simply stunning but were probably cast aside due to the possibility of being confused as a British issue.

    That one is made of "unobtanium-silver" though if Bruce wants it :dizzy:

    The more you VAM..
  • Sunshine Rare CoinsSunshine Rare Coins Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 8:56AM

    It looks like it is going to be a great Baltimore auction. Blue Moon & Pogue V!!

    I might have to go to lot viewing a extra day!

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Shucks ... I was hoping it was more incredible lots on eBay from our friends at Blue Moon Coins! :o

    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 9:09AM

    "Live Bidding begins Mar 30, 2017 @ 2:00 PM EDT
    (33d 1h 52m left for internet "

    A bit of time to get a 2nd job or start mowing lawns to save up for it. :D

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,784 ✭✭✭✭✭


  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see a registry set missing a 1794 Dollar as well as a Gobrecht. Be interesting to see where these coins end up.

    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't say I am impressed with the half eagles which were touted in the run up. Lots of processed stuff. Disappointing.

  • ProofmorganProofmorgan Posts: 788 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 9:41AM

    I'm with Brian. I had been anxiously awaiting some fresh original half eagles. Underwhelming and low % CAC.

    Collector of Original Early Gold with beginnings in Proof Morgan collecting.
  • kazkaz Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a massive collection. Don't think I've ever seen so many proofs in one auction.

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 10:16AM

    I sure wish you could zoom in super close like at Heritage.

    -659 lots, all PCGS, 234 passed CAC (35.5%)

    -Everything appears to be newly graded/regraded.

    (Correction, there are 3 NGC lots, none CAC)

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:
    Nice! Gotta love that 1936 proof set! <3

    The 1913 Proof set is amazing. They also have the shipping envelope.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 10:38AM
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    TDN what do you think this pattern will bring?

    mark

    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 11:41AM

    Great time to bid and get in on the action!

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wabbit2313 said:

    @Walkerfan said:
    Nice! Gotta love that 1936 proof set! <3

    The 1913 Proof set is amazing. They also have the shipping envelope.

    Amazing....Would like to see it all go to one buyer, so that it remains intact. If so, I'm sure that he will have to really pay up.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 10:52AM

    I don't see the nickel. ;)>:)

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:

    @Wabbit2313 said:

    @Walkerfan said:
    Nice! Gotta love that 1936 proof set! <3

    The 1913 Proof set is amazing. They also have the shipping envelope.

    Amazing....Would like to see it all go to one buyer, so that it remains intact. If so, I'm sure that he will have to really pay up.

    The 1936 is sold as 1 lot so that will stay intact. The 1913 is sold as separate lots so the chances of staying intact are very slim.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 10:58AM

    @Zoins said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @Wabbit2313 said:

    @Walkerfan said:
    Nice! Gotta love that 1936 proof set! <3

    The 1913 Proof set is amazing. They also have the shipping envelope.

    Amazing....Would like to see it all go to one buyer, so that it remains intact. If so, I'm sure that he will have to really pay up.

    The 1936 is sold as 1 lot so that will stay intact. The 1913 is sold as separate lots so the chances of staying intact are very slim.

    Yes, I know. But I'd still like to see the 1913 set remain intact, also, but you're right; I'm sure that the chances are very slim. Smart move by Stack-Bowers to maximize profit. I guess that I should just be glad that they kept the 1936 set intact.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:

    @Zoins said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @Wabbit2313 said:

    @Walkerfan said:
    Nice! Gotta love that 1936 proof set! <3

    The 1913 Proof set is amazing. They also have the shipping envelope.

    Amazing....Would like to see it all go to one buyer, so that it remains intact. If so, I'm sure that he will have to really pay up.

    The 1936 is sold as 1 lot so that will stay intact. The 1913 is sold as separate lots so the chances of staying intact are very slim.

    Yes, I know. But I'd still like to see the 1913 set remain intact, also, but you're right; I'm sure that the chances are very slim. Smart move by Stack-Bowers to maximize profit. I guess that I should just be glad that they kept the 1936 set intact.

    Is the decision made by Stack's Bowers or Blue Moon?

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 11:04AM

    @Zoins said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @Zoins said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @Wabbit2313 said:

    @Walkerfan said:
    Nice! Gotta love that 1936 proof set! <3

    The 1913 Proof set is amazing. They also have the shipping envelope.

    Amazing....Would like to see it all go to one buyer, so that it remains intact. If so, I'm sure that he will have to really pay up.

    The 1936 is sold as 1 lot so that will stay intact. The 1913 is sold as separate lots so the chances of staying intact are very slim.

    Yes, I know. But I'd still like to see the 1913 set remain intact, also, but you're right; I'm sure that the chances are very slim. Smart move by Stack-Bowers to maximize profit. I guess that I should just be glad that they kept the 1936 set intact.

    Is the decision made by Stack's Bowers or Blue Moon?

    Good question. I'm sure that Stacks-Bowers recommended it but, ultimately, It is likely the consignor's decision.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • KellenCoinKellenCoin Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭✭

    Since bidding hasn't really happened yet, the prices are seriously low. So maybe I will just make a $5 bid for a gold coin :)

    Fan of the Oxford Comma
    CCAC Representative of the General Public
    2021 Young Numismatist of the Year

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Justacommeman said:
    TDN what do you think this pattern will bring?

    mark

    Under $10k. They are common

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tradedollarnut said:

    @Justacommeman said:
    TDN what do you think this pattern will bring?

    mark

    Under $10k. They are common

    Great design

    Mark

    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The reason they are common is that they were sold by the Mint to the public as part of a six pattern set.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 11:59AM

    @tradedollarnut said:
    The reason they are common is that they were sold by the Mint to the public as part of a six pattern set.

    Wow, great info. I didn't know that. Sounds like the British Royal Mint.

    Any more info on those sales?

  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭

    It is an R4 coin which means 100-150 est. existed (more could be issued).

    an SLQ and Ike dollars lover
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great info. Thanks!

    USPatterns.com
    Sets were also made in copper and aluminum. Silver sets with plain edges were also struck and 5 of the 6 designs are known in white metal.

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    Great info. Thanks!

    USPatterns.com
    Sets were also made in copper and aluminum. Silver sets with plain edges were also struck and 5 of the 6 designs are known in white metal.

    $30 for the six coin set!!

  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That pattern Trade Dollar has to be some of Barber's best work.
    Except for her feet. Not really sure what's going on there.

    "If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"

    My Washington Quarter Registry set...in progress

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 1:02PM

    @Goldbully said:

    @Zoins said:

    Great info. Thanks!

    USPatterns.com
    Sets were also made in copper and aluminum. Silver sets with plain edges were also struck and 5 of the 6 designs are known in white metal.

    $30 for the six coin set!!

    Imagine turning down that set?

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,394 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jcping said:
    It is an R4 coin which means 100-150 est. existed (more could be issued).

    Actually, it means 75-200, at least in the world of US patterns. And in this case, I believe that there were no more than 100 struck of each of the six coins. Most of these have been cleaned or slightly impaired, more so than other patterns. Perfectly original pieces are rare, and I've only seen a few original sets.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gretzky had one. Linderman's if I recall correctly

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,394 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 1:38PM

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Gretzky had one. Linderman's if I recall correctly

    I think it was from the Hamilton Fish family. And it was the lot before or after the King of Siam set sold, IIRC.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,394 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Gretzky had one. Linderman's if I recall correctly

    I think it was from the Hamilton Fish family. And it was the lot before or after the King of Siam set sold, IIRC.

    Funny thing is, as much as the Siam set has appreciated, the patterns are worth significantly less today.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • saw blue moon at long beach. disappointing toning. original but dull. the images don't show it.

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, I saw the Gobrechts. They image well

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,394 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @caddyshack said:
    saw blue moon at long beach. disappointing toning. original but dull. the images don't show it.

    I only looked at the Gobrechts. The mirrors were solid, so I wouldn't call them "dull". But the colors were not vibrant in the least.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 2:16PM

    Left arm looks like it belonged to a monitor lizard.

    Portrait / headdress is a skeleton showstopper.

    MHO.

  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,042 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That J1310 has the WOW factor going really strong !! I totally impressed all the way!

    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
  • JOsborneJOsborne Posts: 115 ✭✭✭

    @Wabbit2313 said:
    I sure wish you could zoom in super close like at Heritage.

    -659 lots, all PCGS, 234 passed CAC (35.5%)

    -Everything appears to be newly graded/regraded.

    (Correction, there are 3 NGC lots, none CAC)

    I cannot believe how lousy the Stack's website is. No close ups, very difficult to search past auction results, poor images, difficult to navigate, etc. Surely they must know. Has anyone told them?? Heritage's is first rate.

  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭✭

    @sparky64 said:
    That pattern Trade Dollar has to be some of Barber's best work.
    Except for her feet. Not really sure what's going on there.

    Looks like either an "oh shoot the deadline is tomorrow morning!" or "I'm f***ing done with this, to hell with it" jobs.

  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any background on the blue moon collection? Who was the collector ? What did the collection focus on? How "old" is the collection? Thx

  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @epcjimi1 said:

    Left arm looks like it belonged to a monitor lizard.

    Portrait / headdress is a skeleton showstopper.

    MHO.

    So what's up with the two white areas?

  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SeattleSlammer said:

    @epcjimi1 said:

    Left arm looks like it belonged to a monitor lizard.

    Portrait / headdress is a skeleton showstopper.

    MHO.

    So what's up with the two white areas?

    Could it be early coinage milk spots or perhaps marshmallow spots?

  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 8:52PM

    Blue Moon is an AMAZING collection. The TD patterns I find especially interesting. Probably because I know nothing about them.......and worthy of study. I also find it interesting that an unexpectedly high percentage of the collection are proofs. And most of them seem to be totally original, with toning that might be better presented with TrueView pics, but viewing in hand would be essential if you are considering them.

    I do not like the auction layout though. I really do not like the idea of dispersement of varieties through the whole auction. I follow IHC proofs, and would like my participation in the auction to be limited time wise. Anybody else think that this is a deviation from normal auction format?

    OINK

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 10,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This thread is not what I expected at all. I figured it had something to do with Blue Moon coins of Ebay fame . I was hoping to see some pics of a sweet reverse proof peace dollar :(

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 25, 2017 11:24PM

    @JOsborne said:
    I cannot believe how lousy the Stack's website is. No close ups, very difficult to search past auction results, poor images, difficult to navigate, etc. Surely they must know. Has anyone told them?? Heritage's is first rate.

    I agree with most of your points, but the search on the Stack's website has worked well for me (recently).
    The main advantage of the Heritage search is that they have all their old auctions still accessible, vs. Stack's where the images in the older auctions are blank.
    I have also found for half dimes, the Stack's images are often higher coin resolution than the routine Heritage images, which include the entire slab.
    On big ticket sales, the Heritage images are 2x larger, but sometimes a little blurry.
    The Heritage descriptions are usually more detailed, and having the slab photo is often helpful (if a coin is sold multiple times, sometimes it stays in the same slab and you can just check the cert number).

    Also, it is a bit more tedious to download images from the Stack's auctions.
    In the google Chrome browser, I have to right-click on the image, Inspect, and then open the image url in a separate tab before I can right-click to Save As.

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