Lot Description
Exceptional Choice Proof 1873 Judd-1310 Pattern Trade Dollar
1873 Pattern Trade Dollar. Judd-1310, Pollock-1453. Rarity-4. Silver. Reeded Edge. Proof-64+ (PCGS). CAC.
Obv: Barber's Indian Princess design with Liberty seated on a rock facing left. Her right hand supports a liberty pole while her left hand rests atop a globe inscribed LIBERTY. A pair of flags is behind the portrait, one of which is ornamented with stars. Thirteen stars encircle the border and the date 1873 is below. Rev: A small eagle with outstretched wings clutches an olive branch in its left talon and a group of three arrows in its right talon. A scroll above the eagle is inscribed with the Latin motto E PLURIBUS UNUM, the motto IN GOD WE TRUST is on a scroll in the lower field, and immediately below the eagle is the inscription 420 GRAINS / 900 FINE. The legend UNITED STATES OF AMERICA lines the upper border and the denomination TRADE DOLLAR is at the lower border. This richly original near-Gem has iridescent gold, blue and lilac undertones to mottled charcoal patina. It is fully struck with appreciable vibrancy to the finish. As with the Judd-1293 specimen offered above, the Mint distributed examples of Judd-1310 to the contemporary public as part of six-piece pattern Proof sets at a price of $30/set. This is one of the finest certified survivors, a beautiful specimen that combines rarity with strong eye appeal.
PCGS# 61596. NGC ID: 2A8R.
PCGS Population: 1; 3 finer (Proof-66 finest).
Provenance: From our (Stack's) sale of the John Work Garrett Collection for The Johns Hopkins University, March 1976, lot 666. Lot tag and collector envelope included.
Lot Description
Exceptional Choice Proof 1873 Judd-1310 Pattern Trade Dollar
1873 Pattern Trade Dollar. Judd-1310, Pollock-1453. Rarity-4. Silver. Reeded Edge. Proof-64+ (PCGS). CAC.
Obv: Barber's Indian Princess design with Liberty seated on a rock facing left. Her right hand supports a liberty pole while her left hand rests atop a globe inscribed LIBERTY. A pair of flags is behind the portrait, one of which is ornamented with stars. Thirteen stars encircle the border and the date 1873 is below. Rev: A small eagle with outstretched wings clutches an olive branch in its left talon and a group of three arrows in its right talon. A scroll above the eagle is inscribed with the Latin motto E PLURIBUS UNUM, the motto IN GOD WE TRUST is on a scroll in the lower field, and immediately below the eagle is the inscription 420 GRAINS / 900 FINE. The legend UNITED STATES OF AMERICA lines the upper border and the denomination TRADE DOLLAR is at the lower border. This richly original near-Gem has iridescent gold, blue and lilac undertones to mottled charcoal patina. It is fully struck with appreciable vibrancy to the finish. As with the Judd-1293 specimen offered above, the Mint distributed examples of Judd-1310 to the contemporary public as part of six-piece pattern Proof sets at a price of $30/set. This is one of the finest certified survivors, a beautiful specimen that combines rarity with strong eye appeal.
PCGS# 61596. NGC ID: 2A8R.
PCGS Population: 1; 3 finer (Proof-66 finest).
Provenance: From our (Stack's) sale of the John Work Garrett Collection for The Johns Hopkins University, March 1976, lot 666. Lot tag and collector envelope included.
Yup, very nice. I've always loved some of the TD patterns. Some are simply stunning but were probably cast aside due to the possibility of being confused as a British issue.
That one is made of "unobtanium-silver" though if Bruce wants it
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
@Walkerfan said:
Nice! Gotta love that 1936 proof set!
The 1913 Proof set is amazing. They also have the shipping envelope.
Amazing....Would like to see it all go to one buyer, so that it remains intact. If so, I'm sure that he will have to really pay up.
The 1936 is sold as 1 lot so that will stay intact. The 1913 is sold as separate lots so the chances of staying intact are very slim.
Yes, I know. But I'd still like to see the 1913 set remain intact, also, but you're right; I'm sure that the chances are very slim. Smart move by Stack-Bowers to maximize profit. I guess that I should just be glad that they kept the 1936 set intact.
“I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~
@Walkerfan said:
Nice! Gotta love that 1936 proof set!
The 1913 Proof set is amazing. They also have the shipping envelope.
Amazing....Would like to see it all go to one buyer, so that it remains intact. If so, I'm sure that he will have to really pay up.
The 1936 is sold as 1 lot so that will stay intact. The 1913 is sold as separate lots so the chances of staying intact are very slim.
Yes, I know. But I'd still like to see the 1913 set remain intact, also, but you're right; I'm sure that the chances are very slim. Smart move by Stack-Bowers to maximize profit. I guess that I should just be glad that they kept the 1936 set intact.
Is the decision made by Stack's Bowers or Blue Moon?
@Walkerfan said:
Nice! Gotta love that 1936 proof set!
The 1913 Proof set is amazing. They also have the shipping envelope.
Amazing....Would like to see it all go to one buyer, so that it remains intact. If so, I'm sure that he will have to really pay up.
The 1936 is sold as 1 lot so that will stay intact. The 1913 is sold as separate lots so the chances of staying intact are very slim.
Yes, I know. But I'd still like to see the 1913 set remain intact, also, but you're right; I'm sure that the chances are very slim. Smart move by Stack-Bowers to maximize profit. I guess that I should just be glad that they kept the 1936 set intact.
Is the decision made by Stack's Bowers or Blue Moon?
Good question. I'm sure that Stacks-Bowers recommended it but, ultimately, It is likely the consignor's decision.
“I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~
@Justacommeman said:
TDN what do you think this pattern will bring?
mark
Under $10k. They are common
Great design
Mark
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
USPatterns.com
Sets were also made in copper and aluminum. Silver sets with plain edges were also struck and 5 of the 6 designs are known in white metal.
USPatterns.com
Sets were also made in copper and aluminum. Silver sets with plain edges were also struck and 5 of the 6 designs are known in white metal.
USPatterns.com
Sets were also made in copper and aluminum. Silver sets with plain edges were also struck and 5 of the 6 designs are known in white metal.
@jcping said:
It is an R4 coin which means 100-150 est. existed (more could be issued).
Actually, it means 75-200, at least in the world of US patterns. And in this case, I believe that there were no more than 100 struck of each of the six coins. Most of these have been cleaned or slightly impaired, more so than other patterns. Perfectly original pieces are rare, and I've only seen a few original sets.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@Wabbit2313 said:
I sure wish you could zoom in super close like at Heritage.
-659 lots, all PCGS, 234 passed CAC (35.5%)
-Everything appears to be newly graded/regraded.
(Correction, there are 3 NGC lots, none CAC)
I cannot believe how lousy the Stack's website is. No close ups, very difficult to search past auction results, poor images, difficult to navigate, etc. Surely they must know. Has anyone told them?? Heritage's is first rate.
Blue Moon is an AMAZING collection. The TD patterns I find especially interesting. Probably because I know nothing about them.......and worthy of study. I also find it interesting that an unexpectedly high percentage of the collection are proofs. And most of them seem to be totally original, with toning that might be better presented with TrueView pics, but viewing in hand would be essential if you are considering them.
I do not like the auction layout though. I really do not like the idea of dispersement of varieties through the whole auction. I follow IHC proofs, and would like my participation in the auction to be limited time wise. Anybody else think that this is a deviation from normal auction format?
This thread is not what I expected at all. I figured it had something to do with Blue Moon coins of Ebay fame . I was hoping to see some pics of a sweet reverse proof peace dollar
@JOsborne said:
I cannot believe how lousy the Stack's website is. No close ups, very difficult to search past auction results, poor images, difficult to navigate, etc. Surely they must know. Has anyone told them?? Heritage's is first rate.
I agree with most of your points, but the search on the Stack's website has worked well for me (recently).
The main advantage of the Heritage search is that they have all their old auctions still accessible, vs. Stack's where the images in the older auctions are blank.
I have also found for half dimes, the Stack's images are often higher coin resolution than the routine Heritage images, which include the entire slab.
On big ticket sales, the Heritage images are 2x larger, but sometimes a little blurry.
The Heritage descriptions are usually more detailed, and having the slab photo is often helpful (if a coin is sold multiple times, sometimes it stays in the same slab and you can just check the cert number).
Also, it is a bit more tedious to download images from the Stack's auctions.
In the google Chrome browser, I have to right-click on the image, Inspect, and then open the image url in a separate tab before I can right-click to Save As.
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https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/auctions/3-6TN06
Wow.................
Lot Description
Exceptional Choice Proof 1873 Judd-1310 Pattern Trade Dollar
1873 Pattern Trade Dollar. Judd-1310, Pollock-1453. Rarity-4. Silver. Reeded Edge. Proof-64+ (PCGS). CAC.
Obv: Barber's Indian Princess design with Liberty seated on a rock facing left. Her right hand supports a liberty pole while her left hand rests atop a globe inscribed LIBERTY. A pair of flags is behind the portrait, one of which is ornamented with stars. Thirteen stars encircle the border and the date 1873 is below. Rev: A small eagle with outstretched wings clutches an olive branch in its left talon and a group of three arrows in its right talon. A scroll above the eagle is inscribed with the Latin motto E PLURIBUS UNUM, the motto IN GOD WE TRUST is on a scroll in the lower field, and immediately below the eagle is the inscription 420 GRAINS / 900 FINE. The legend UNITED STATES OF AMERICA lines the upper border and the denomination TRADE DOLLAR is at the lower border. This richly original near-Gem has iridescent gold, blue and lilac undertones to mottled charcoal patina. It is fully struck with appreciable vibrancy to the finish. As with the Judd-1293 specimen offered above, the Mint distributed examples of Judd-1310 to the contemporary public as part of six-piece pattern Proof sets at a price of $30/set. This is one of the finest certified survivors, a beautiful specimen that combines rarity with strong eye appeal.
PCGS# 61596. NGC ID: 2A8R.
PCGS Population: 1; 3 finer (Proof-66 finest).
Provenance: From our (Stack's) sale of the John Work Garrett Collection for The Johns Hopkins University, March 1976, lot 666. Lot tag and collector envelope included.
Nice! Gotta love that 1936 proof set!
“I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Yup, very nice. I've always loved some of the TD patterns. Some are simply stunning but were probably cast aside due to the possibility of being confused as a British issue.
That one is made of "unobtanium-silver" though if Bruce wants it
It looks like it is going to be a great Baltimore auction. Blue Moon & Pogue V!!
I might have to go to lot viewing a extra day!
Sunshine Rare Coins
sunshinecoins.com/store/c1/Featured_Products.html
Shucks ... I was hoping it was more incredible lots on eBay from our friends at Blue Moon Coins!
See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
"Live Bidding begins Mar 30, 2017 @ 2:00 PM EDT
(33d 1h 52m left for internet "
A bit of time to get a 2nd job or start mowing lawns to save up for it.
I see a registry set missing a 1794 Dollar as well as a Gobrecht. Be interesting to see where these coins end up.
Can't say I am impressed with the half eagles which were touted in the run up. Lots of processed stuff. Disappointing.
Latin American Collection
I'm with Brian. I had been anxiously awaiting some fresh original half eagles. Underwhelming and low % CAC.
That is a massive collection. Don't think I've ever seen so many proofs in one auction.
I sure wish you could zoom in super close like at Heritage.
-659 lots, all PCGS, 234 passed CAC (35.5%)
-Everything appears to be newly graded/regraded.
(Correction, there are 3 NGC lots, none CAC)
The 1913 Proof set is amazing. They also have the shipping envelope.
Here's the CoinFacts image!
TDN what do you think this pattern will bring?
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Great time to bid and get in on the action!
Amazing....Would like to see it all go to one buyer, so that it remains intact. If so, I'm sure that he will have to really pay up.
“I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
I don't see the nickel.
“I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
The 1936 is sold as 1 lot so that will stay intact. The 1913 is sold as separate lots so the chances of staying intact are very slim.
Yes, I know. But I'd still like to see the 1913 set remain intact, also, but you're right; I'm sure that the chances are very slim. Smart move by Stack-Bowers to maximize profit. I guess that I should just be glad that they kept the 1936 set intact.
“I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Is the decision made by Stack's Bowers or Blue Moon?
Good question. I'm sure that Stacks-Bowers recommended it but, ultimately, It is likely the consignor's decision.
“I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Since bidding hasn't really happened yet, the prices are seriously low. So maybe I will just make a $5 bid for a gold coin
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Under $10k. They are common
Great design
Mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
The reason they are common is that they were sold by the Mint to the public as part of a six pattern set.
Wow, great info. I didn't know that. Sounds like the British Royal Mint.
Any more info on those sales?
It is an R4 coin which means 100-150 est. existed (more could be issued).
http://www.uspatterns.com/18traddolset.html
Great info. Thanks!
$30 for the six coin set!!
That pattern Trade Dollar has to be some of Barber's best work.
Except for her feet. Not really sure what's going on there.
"If I say something in the woods and my wife isn't there to hear it.....am I still wrong?"
My Washington Quarter Registry set...in progress
Imagine turning down that set?
Actually, it means 75-200, at least in the world of US patterns. And in this case, I believe that there were no more than 100 struck of each of the six coins. Most of these have been cleaned or slightly impaired, more so than other patterns. Perfectly original pieces are rare, and I've only seen a few original sets.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Gretzky had one. Linderman's if I recall correctly
I think it was from the Hamilton Fish family. And it was the lot before or after the King of Siam set sold, IIRC.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Funny thing is, as much as the Siam set has appreciated, the patterns are worth significantly less today.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
saw blue moon at long beach. disappointing toning. original but dull. the images don't show it.
Yes, I saw the Gobrechts. They image well
I only looked at the Gobrechts. The mirrors were solid, so I wouldn't call them "dull". But the colors were not vibrant in the least.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Left arm looks like it belonged to a monitor lizard.
Portrait / headdress is a skeleton showstopper.
MHO.
That J1310 has the WOW factor going really strong !! I totally impressed all the way!
I cannot believe how lousy the Stack's website is. No close ups, very difficult to search past auction results, poor images, difficult to navigate, etc. Surely they must know. Has anyone told them?? Heritage's is first rate.
Looks like either an "oh shoot the deadline is tomorrow morning!" or "I'm f***ing done with this, to hell with it" jobs.
Any background on the blue moon collection? Who was the collector ? What did the collection focus on? How "old" is the collection? Thx
So what's up with the two white areas?
Could it be early coinage milk spots or perhaps marshmallow spots?
Blue Moon is an AMAZING collection. The TD patterns I find especially interesting. Probably because I know nothing about them.......and worthy of study. I also find it interesting that an unexpectedly high percentage of the collection are proofs. And most of them seem to be totally original, with toning that might be better presented with TrueView pics, but viewing in hand would be essential if you are considering them.
I do not like the auction layout though. I really do not like the idea of dispersement of varieties through the whole auction. I follow IHC proofs, and would like my participation in the auction to be limited time wise. Anybody else think that this is a deviation from normal auction format?
OINK
This thread is not what I expected at all. I figured it had something to do with Blue Moon coins of Ebay fame . I was hoping to see some pics of a sweet reverse proof peace dollar
I agree with most of your points, but the search on the Stack's website has worked well for me (recently).
The main advantage of the Heritage search is that they have all their old auctions still accessible, vs. Stack's where the images in the older auctions are blank.
I have also found for half dimes, the Stack's images are often higher coin resolution than the routine Heritage images, which include the entire slab.
On big ticket sales, the Heritage images are 2x larger, but sometimes a little blurry.
The Heritage descriptions are usually more detailed, and having the slab photo is often helpful (if a coin is sold multiple times, sometimes it stays in the same slab and you can just check the cert number).
Also, it is a bit more tedious to download images from the Stack's auctions.
In the google Chrome browser, I have to right-click on the image, Inspect, and then open the image url in a separate tab before I can right-click to Save As.