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Grade this '21 Peace dollar

TequilaDaveTequilaDave Posts: 271 ✭✭✭
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I've always found grading HR Peace dollars a little tough. Since grading using a single photo is seldom accurate, I've tried to take photos with the light at different angles to try to give an accurate representation of the coin.
So what grade do you think this Peace dollar should be?
Thanks in advance!








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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My gut initially said AU58, probably +. The more I look at it the more I want to say MS64/65. So those are my 3 answers :smile:

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  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS66, easy! Maybe even with a star.

  • Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's a beaut! MS 64

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  • slider23slider23 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭✭

    AU 58

  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭

    63?

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My gut is cleaned/altered surfaces. Something seems funny with the fields. At first glance, it had the look of a 66, but I am on record saying it is not! My final comment is it may be in the sympathy grade area as a technically nice coin with some problem. Can't wait to see what it is.

  • GemstrikeGemstrike Posts: 87 ✭✭✭

    I see no wear, just typical strike of a 21. Looks sweet from pictures. MS66!

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 28, 2017 5:29PM

    MS62. Flat luster.

    A 66 is uncommon and should be dazzlingly beautiful.

  • mariner67mariner67 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭

    I'm with BryceM....agree on lack of luster, maybe dipped previously( at least from these photos) and a 62.

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,787 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I admit I'm not good at** these dollars** but I would say 55/58.
    Don't depend on this though. :smile:

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  • TequilaDaveTequilaDave Posts: 271 ✭✭✭
    edited January 28, 2017 5:46PM

    Well, she lives in a 63 holder for now but I think she's a prime candidate for an upgrade. Because if it's not at least a 64, it's the sweetest looking 63 I've ever seen. That said, I agree with Bryce and mariner, lack of luster prevents her from going any higher.

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,787 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Congratulations :+1:

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,787 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I need to revisit my Peace dollars. :smile:

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  • mirabelamirabela Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's in a 63 because it's an AU64.

    mirabela
  • Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is a sweet looking 63. Very few marks, and almost none in fields, so technically looks 64, but like already said lack of luster may hold it back. Use the reconsideration, then its no risk to you.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would have been torn between strong 63 and possible 64. Hard to find these looking nice in those two grades. They aren't 1880-S's.

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  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭

    The issue is luster. The surface looks hazed. If conservation is properly done, maybe it will pop and you'll get lucky. Could be 66 if it really pops.

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Take a look at Coinfacts' examples. Many dozens of them.
    pcgscoinfacts.com/CoinImages.aspx?s=7356

    There are tons of MS66's with bag marks, cuts, scratches and digs. What they have is spectacular luster and flash.

    I like OP's coin. I love clean surfaces. But if it isn't dazzling it won't earn an elite grade.

    If it has the luster it will upgrade from 63.
    Lance.

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  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm still going to guess ms66 no matter what the grade says.

  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Sandman70gt said:
    It is a sweet looking 63. Very few marks, and almost none in fields, so technically looks 64, but like already said lack of luster may hold it back. Use the reconsideration, then its no risk to you.

    I'd probably try an upgrade too. But reconsideration is the wrong service. Use it when you are willing to accept a conservative judgment (through the slab) because you don't want to lose the holder/sticker and are okay with a premium payment for any upgrade.

    Choose regrade otherwise. Coin is judged raw, grade is guaranteed, and no premium is paid for upgrading.

    Nothing personal, but I'm amazed by how many collectors don't understand the grading services.
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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was going to guess 64

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was going to guess 65... good series of photographs for evaluation - at least as good as can be done from pictures... surprised it was only 63... Cheers, RickO

  • Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the correction Lance.
    I didnt know on regrade service that grade was guaranteed.
    It's nice to have this forum to learn things like this.
    The value difference between 63 and 4 is worth regrading imo.

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  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it comes back as a ms66 please give me one of your stars.

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 29, 2017 2:16PM

    The illustration below highlights the main areas of first abrasion on a well-detailed 1921 Peace dollar.

    Note that the cheek is not uniformly curved but has a slight depression midway between the eye and jaw -- a "dimple" as President Harding called it. Likewise the neck is slightly higher at the point of the arrow than elsewhere. The curve of the truncation, when fully detailed, will also see abrasion first. Most coins have flatness in this area. Lastly, in the hair, arrows point to the highest points. As is apparent, the basin is not uniform and neither is the portrait radius. (Modified axial lighting highlights these areas.) De Francisci was a sculptor not a coinage designer, and the coins failed to strike up was possibly due in part to his lack of detailed knowledge of coinage. Of course, Morgan's versions for 1922 - high relief and medium relief - worked no better.

    Hope this is helpful.

  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As a problem free coin, they blew the grade on that baby. Crack, MS70 her, and send, NOW!

  • scotty1419scotty1419 Posts: 928 ✭✭✭

    Looking at the images alone I was thinking 3/4. That's a very pretty example!

  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭

    what do I get for guessing the grade correctly? :D Nice 1921 :)

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  • rooksmithrooksmith Posts: 971 ✭✭✭✭

    I'd be careful about resubmitting, unless you want it to come back as cleaned. I say keep in the 63, and sell it later, Personally, I think its about a MS65, because of the flie scratches (ouch) on the reverse. Also here is a little wear on the Obverse, hair over the ear/hair. Roger B.'s post up there looks like the Photograde manual page. PS HR coins almost always show some wear. Its a tough world on this forum, I tell you. Pick pick. Enjoy the coin! its a beauty anyway you look at it. Cheers

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  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wolf359 said:
    The issue is luster. The surface looks hazed. If conservation is properly done, maybe it will pop and you'll get lucky. Could be 66 if it really pops.

    This.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,256 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would have give it a MS63. The high relief normally perplexes me with strike versu wear of the hair. Very nice Type Peace Dollar!

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  • JazzmanJABJazzmanJAB Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭✭

    It is a beautiful coin. I was going to grade 63 Obverse, 65 Reverse.

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,787 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks @RogerB for the diagnostics pic. :smile:

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  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭

    AU63. It's a slider with dip residue but relatively mark free. So my guess is it's a market graded 63.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Was thinking 64 but agree with most of the other comments here as these can be inscrutable with today's standards.

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