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Will PCGS Holder My Beloved Fugio ? Photos Not For The Faint of Heart

PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭

Guess the grade - no, don't bother. I've been musing for years to send my beloved Fugio to a grading service just to see what it would look like entombed in plastic. It falls well within the weight and diameter of the wide variety of Fugios.


I think it is real. Will PCGS holder this gem?

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What's the grading scale for fossils?

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,200 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No.

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  • segojasegoja Posts: 6,134 ✭✭✭✭

    too far gone

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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Might be more fun to send it to someone who is an expert at cleaning ancient coins.
    There might be a lot of junk on top that could be removed to see more of what's underneath,
    like what was already done at the date.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,952 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No decision on that one, I'm guessing.

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with the too far gone crowd.
    Maybe try olive oil for about 20 years....no, never mind, I forgot how jealous Brutus can be....

  • CoinlearnerCoinlearner Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭✭

    Yes they will. It will come back genuine with environmental damage. People slab pocket change,why not this one?.. :)

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,960 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that the coin is too far gone for a slab. No offense, but given what's left, I think that determining whether or not it's genuine would be difficult. I could see a counterfeiter casting and "ageing" something that looks like this in the hope of slipping it through.

    About the only coins that could have a prayer of getting into a holder than look like this are the Bermuda pieces that are listed in the front of "The Red Book."

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,200 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinlearner said:
    Yes they will. It will come back genuine with environmental damage. People slab pocket change,why not this one?.. :)

    The issue with this line of thinking (certified as environmental damage) is that PCGS must first determine authenticity and not guess if it is real and damaged. The piece is too far gone, in my opinion, to be able to do that. Therefore, I stand by what I wrote earlier that it won't come back in a slab.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2017 6:18AM

    Unfortunately, I believe TomB is correct.... very sad.... it 'looks like' an authentic piece..and that is a risky statement from the pictures and condition... I am not sure it could be authenticated.... Too bad, what a neat old find.... I say 'find' because it looks like a dug coin......Cheers, RickO

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm with TomB.

  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That one is borderline. It MAY come back genuine details.

    Cheers

    Bob

  • PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2017 7:42AM

    Thanks to everyone for their opinion. I was hoping it would be an interesting conversation piece in a PCGS holder, but if there is a high probably that it won't be slabbed I'll not spend any money on it. I know absolutely nothing (technically) about the series except the general weight and diameter windows, but I love the look and the very interesting history of Fugios.

    Regards,

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,183 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting example. Was it found with a metal detector?

  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinlearner said:
    Yes they will. It will come back genuine with environmental damage. People slab pocket change,why not this one?.. :)

    Give it a shot. It's beloved, right? Maybe send the photos you posted to PCGS and ask if it would be slabbed with at least a Genuine label (if they can determine it's genuine that is)


  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,528 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Where did you find that poor thing? Mt St Helens crater? :o

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  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭

    E.D.

    Environment Damage.

  • PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2017 11:09AM

    No idea where it originated.

    Rediscovered the coin in a box of coins and stuff that I put aside quite a few years ago, along with some other "gems". I wish I knew its history. It's kind of fun examining it under different lighting conditions at at different angles. More detail shows up, but other detail is lost - actually frustrating. I wish I had a composite of the Fugio with all of the better detail in one picture.

    At some angles the Sun's face is fairly clear, at others "UGIO" of FUGIO can be seen. Parts of WE ARE ONE, but always some detail is lost when other comes into view.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,300 ✭✭✭✭✭

    no :(

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,581 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No.

  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭

    The reverse is shown upside-down.

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,165 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's so badly corroded that I don't think they would slab it as genuine.

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,760 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Outhaul said:
    That one is borderline. It MAY come back genuine details.

    Cheers

    Bob

    I think enough can be seen that it will slab. XF40?

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