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Jenn4480
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This coin was found with quite a few others in my grandfather's or great uncle's belongings. Can anyone tell if it looks authentic? Just a guess? Or can anyone recommend someone reputable in the Atlanta area?
Thanks in advance!
Jennifer
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CRO may be able to help email the photo to them
Please never clean or mess with any coin. Ruins the value.
Welcome to the forum and I'm sure you get a good response or two very shortly.
Does not look authentic to my eyes.
bob
Ptvetter, who is CRO? Sorry, I'm very new to this?
Bob,
I have not and will not clean this until I know something for sure! Are authentic versions of this coin pretty common? Thanks for the help!
Modern cast copy. No value.
How can you tell? Not that I'm disagreeing, just curious.
Never had one, never held one. I'm sure there are more fakes out there than authentic ones.
A coin over 300 years old would show "age". this does not. Additionally there's no detail on this coin. The pine tree is suppose to have small branches facing up. I see none on this. But the color is way off.
Welcome to the forum. Sorry to bum you out.
As always, don't ever clean anything numismatic in nature. You can have a local coin Dealer verify our opinions.
How about a pic of the several others that came with this? Just because this one wasn't good doesn't mean that you won't find a surprise in the rest...
These were notoriously struck off center. Yours shows all legends complete, with no wear at all. Red flag.
This also looks like it was struck on an aluminum planchent, another red flag.
Should be silver, which would most likely tarnish some in the last three centuries!
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Among other things the little bubbles caused by air pockets in the mold. Plus I used to be Senior Authenticator for the American Numismatic Association.
That is pretty clearly a modern piece and most likely sold as part of a gift shop package at a museum. If I recall correctly, these were available in large numbers, and for little money, in the 1970s at most museums or historical landmarks and, given this was the height of Bicentennial mania, they sold very well. The lettering is too well done and even throughout both obverse and reverse and the planchet used is too well rounded, as well. Overall, it looks little like a real piece and overwhelmingly like those modern pieces.
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1) that grainy texture on your copy is from casting the metal in something like sand.
2) the detail is too varied from the lettering & tree - why is some strong and some weak
3) it's not 1652 era crude enough
4) etc
Very interesting! Thanks so much for your help! I'll pull out the others tomorrow and take some pictures.
Thanks again!
Sorry, not real.
I gotta say, if that's not serious corrosion, then it a cast copy. I'm inclined to agree with the others.
Welcome to the forum.
I can't vouch for the non-authenticity of your coin, but I can vouch for CaptHenway's opinion.
Among other things, it's too round, too flat and looks struck. Large planchet Pine Tree shillings were produced on a rocker press.
mbogoman
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looks bogus to me as well.
As the others have said, it's a copy, probably from the 1970s before the Hobby Protection Act required the "COPY" to appear on such pieces. There are a number of large size Pine Tree Shilling varieties. This is Noe 1, which is generally the best made of the these coins. This varity has been the "poster child" for the Pine Tree Shilling series.
I would also add that most all of these coins were struck slightly bent. They were made on a device called a rocker press that rolled over the plancet there striking the coin in a progression rather than all at once. The screw press, which was used extensively, had an up and down motion. The small sized Pine Tree Shillings were made on a screw press.
@Jenn4480.... Welcome aboard... we look forward to seeing your other coins.... Cheers, RickO