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  • SPalladinoSPalladino Posts: 875 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    I decided at the beginning of the year that I wanted all 100 of the announced mintage of the "MCMXXI" over-strikes (the ones over-struck on 1921 Peace Dollars) to be pristine high grade. It is inevitable that some do not turn out perfect or "high grade". So rather than splitting the mintage of 100 into high-grade and lesser-grade (or antiqued/circulated/bulk-handled) categories, all 100 issued were high-grade. But what to do with the excess that was not high-grade ? I decided to make a circulated version which would not be part of the 100, would not have a mintage limit, would be cheaper, and could be over-struck on any year Peace Dollar. In addition to the circulated finish, I wanted another way to differentiate these from the limited issue of 100. So that is why I added the "2021" counter-stamp. So most of the antiqued counter-stamped version are over-struck on 1922-1935 Peace Dollars, but a few were over-struck on 1921 Peace Dollars.

    @dcarr - Is there any way to identify whether an antiqued / counter-stamped MCMXXI has been over-struck on a 1921 Peace Dollar (since a few of them were), as opposed to a 1922-1935 Peace Dollar?

    Steve Palladino
    - Ike Group member
    - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 23, 2021 9:20AM

    @SPalladino said:

    @dcarr said:
    I decided at the beginning of the year that I wanted all 100 of the announced mintage of the "MCMXXI" over-strikes (the ones over-struck on 1921 Peace Dollars) to be pristine high grade. It is inevitable that some do not turn out perfect or "high grade". So rather than splitting the mintage of 100 into high-grade and lesser-grade (or antiqued/circulated/bulk-handled) categories, all 100 issued were high-grade. But what to do with the excess that was not high-grade ? I decided to make a circulated version which would not be part of the 100, would not have a mintage limit, would be cheaper, and could be over-struck on any year Peace Dollar. In addition to the circulated finish, I wanted another way to differentiate these from the limited issue of 100. So that is why I added the "2021" counter-stamp. So most of the antiqued counter-stamped version are over-struck on 1922-1935 Peace Dollars, but a few were over-struck on 1921 Peace Dollars.

    @dcarr - Is there any way to identify whether an antiqued / counter-stamped MCMXXI has been over-struck on a 1921 Peace Dollar (since a few of them were), as opposed to a 1922-1935 Peace Dollar?

    .

    From a later @dcarr comment: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12824287/#Comment_12824287

    "There is no way to tell by inspecting them.
    And since the antiquing is performed by tumbling the coins a certain way, they get all mixed up. So even if they were segregated from the others, they would end up randomly mingled.

    So the short answer is no."

    But maybe there's an intriguing long answer? I'm guessing with microscopy you might get lucky and have an example with sufficient ghosting to see the 1921 date.

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  • SPalladinoSPalladino Posts: 875 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @COCollector said:

    @SPalladino said:

    @dcarr said:
    I decided at the beginning of the year that I wanted all 100 of the announced mintage of the "MCMXXI" over-strikes (the ones over-struck on 1921 Peace Dollars) to be pristine high grade. It is inevitable that some do not turn out perfect or "high grade". So rather than splitting the mintage of 100 into high-grade and lesser-grade (or antiqued/circulated/bulk-handled) categories, all 100 issued were high-grade. But what to do with the excess that was not high-grade ? I decided to make a circulated version which would not be part of the 100, would not have a mintage limit, would be cheaper, and could be over-struck on any year Peace Dollar. In addition to the circulated finish, I wanted another way to differentiate these from the limited issue of 100. So that is why I added the "2021" counter-stamp. So most of the antiqued counter-stamped version are over-struck on 1922-1935 Peace Dollars, but a few were over-struck on 1921 Peace Dollars.

    @dcarr - Is there any way to identify whether an antiqued / counter-stamped MCMXXI has been over-struck on a 1921 Peace Dollar (since a few of them were), as opposed to a 1922-1935 Peace Dollar?

    .

    From a later @dcarr comment: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12824287/#Comment_12824287

    "There is no way to tell by inspecting them.
    And since the antiquing is performed by tumbling the coins a certain way, they get all mixed up. So even if they were segregated from the others, they would end up randomly mingled.

    So the short answer is no."

    But maybe there's an intriguing long answer? I'm guessing with microscopy you might get lucky and have an example with sufficient ghosting to see the 1921 date.

    I missed that. Apologies to the thread followers, and thank you for the response.
    I suspect that looking for ghosting (not seeing much, if any on this series) would work better for rule-out than rule-in.

    Steve Palladino
    - Ike Group member
    - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,527 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dan,,,,

    You are slipping,,,,,, I had 2 pcs only grade MS68 ;)

    Ok, I just got grades and made the following:

    1879 Liberty V-Nickel
    MS69 = 4 pcs
    MS70 = 4 pcs

    1911-D Buffalo
    MS69 = 4 pcs
    MS70 = 4 pcs

    1932-S Buffalo
    MS68 = 1 pc
    MS69 = 7 pcs
    MS70 = 2 pcs

    1937-S Jefferson
    MS69 FS = 1 pc
    MS70 FS = 3 pcs

    1942-D/d/D Jefferson
    MS69 FS = 3 pcs
    MS70 FS = 1 pc

    2005-W Jefferson
    MS69 FS = 7 pcs
    MS70 FS = 1 pc

    In addition I also made the following dates and grades:

    1859 Flying Eagle Cent
    MS69 = 6 pcs
    MS70 = 2 pcs

    1856 Indian Cent
    MS69 = 4 pcs
    MS70 = 2 pcs

    1857 Indian Head Cent
    MS68 = 1 pc
    MS69 = 4 pcs
    MS70 = 1 pc

    Not bad,,,,,, IMHO,,,,,,

    I am very pleased with the grades,,,,

    GrandAm :)

    GrandAm :)
  • ZoidMeisterZoidMeister Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SPalladino said:
    Since ANACS cannot / will not fit the 1921-2021 Peace Centennial rounds into their holders, I did a DIY slab. Not perfect, but at least I can display it in slabbed form along with my ANACS slabbed MXMXXI high grade and MXMXXI antiqued coins from Daniel.

    SP,

    Can you share who you get your self slab materials from?

    Thanks in advance!

    Z

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  • SPalladinoSPalladino Posts: 875 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ZoidMeister said:
    Can you share who you get your self slab materials from?

    I used Lighthouse Quickslab. I don't think that they make their inserts with a 50mm diameter opening, so I used their insert with a 30mm opening and used an exacto blade to cut a 50mm diameter opening in the insert.
    The label was simply done by creating a text box on Word, printing and cutting.

    Steve Palladino
    - Ike Group member
    - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You did a nice job, I use quickslabs for special coins all the time. Peace Roy

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  • ɹoʇɔǝlloɔɹoʇɔǝlloɔ Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    that's cool as hell @ZoidMeister

  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,720 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the update Zoins, got some.... B)

  • PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭✭✭

    New Covid Token is up.

  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Something's funny on Dan's website. Some items I can add unlimited amounts to the cart and some say not enough in stock when I try to add large amounts to the cart.

    Many happy BST transactions
  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,720 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2021 7:36AM

    @cheezhed said:
    Something's funny on Dan's website. Some items I can add unlimited amounts to the cart and some say not enough in stock when I try to add large amounts to the cart.

    When it says Not Enough In Stock, just keep lowering your # until it says your order has been updated to the number that's in stock.

  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bullsitter said:

    @cheezhed said:
    Something's funny on Dan's website. Some items I can add unlimited amounts to the cart and some say not enough in stock when I try to add large amounts to the cart.

    When it says Not Enough In Stock, just keep lowering your # until it says your order has been updated to the number that's in stock.

    I understand that but some of the new offerings that show lower mintages on the mintage page I'm able to put 1000 pieces in my cart.

    Many happy BST transactions
  • fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 909 ✭✭✭✭

    C'mon you guys save some for the rest of us :(

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fiftysevener said:
    C'mon you guys save some for the rest of us :(

    What are you wanting? They all seem to be available except for the 1932-S Buffalo Nickel:

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2021 8:22AM

    @PipestonePete said:
    New Covid Token is up.

    I got that one too!

    I love how the virus has expanded to both sides and gotten larger for 2021 :D:+1:

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2021 8:40AM

    @cheezhed said:

    @Bullsitter said:

    @cheezhed said:
    Something's funny on Dan's website. Some items I can add unlimited amounts to the cart and some say not enough in stock when I try to add large amounts to the cart.

    When it says Not Enough In Stock, just keep lowering your # until it says your order has been updated to the number that's in stock.

    I understand that but some of the new offerings that show lower mintages on the mintage page I'm able to put 1000 pieces in my cart.

    If it doesn't say final, the mintage is still open.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2021 8:54AM

    @cheezhed said:

    @Bullsitter said:

    @cheezhed said:
    Something's funny on Dan's website. Some items I can add unlimited amounts to the cart and some say not enough in stock when I try to add large amounts to the cart.

    When it says Not Enough In Stock, just keep lowering your # until it says your order has been updated to the number that's in stock.

    I understand that but some of the new offerings that show lower mintages on the mintage page I'm able to put 1000 pieces in my cart.

    Which ones are you trying to corner the market on? :)

  • fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 909 ✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @fiftysevener said:
    C'mon you guys save some for the rest of us :(

    What are you wanting? They all seem to be available except for the 1932-S Buffalo Nickel:

    Thanks for your concern but I'm fine. Just said that jokingly. I did get my MCLXXI Peace dollar and of course I'm thrilled with the MS 69 or better quality.

  • ZoidMeisterZoidMeister Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bullsitter said:

    @cheezhed said:
    Something's funny on Dan's website. Some items I can add unlimited amounts to the cart and some say not enough in stock when I try to add large amounts to the cart.

    When it says Not Enough In Stock, just keep lowering your # until it says your order has been updated to the number that's in stock.

    .

    .

    The Truth comes out . . . .

    The voice of experience talking here ^^^ . .

    Z

    Busy chasing Carr's . . . . . woof!

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  • darth_morgandarth_morgan Posts: 192 ✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @fiftysevener said:
    C'mon you guys save some for the rest of us :(

    What are you wanting? They all seem to be available except for the 1932-S Buffalo Nickel:

    I just bought a 1932-S this morning, along with both 1911-S versions. I wonder if I got the last one. Maybe @dcarr can confirm?

    My Eisenhower Dollar Complete Variety Set, Circulation Strikes and Proof (PCGS Registry):
    https://www.PCGS.com/SetRegistry/dollars/eisenhower-dollars-specialty-sets/eisenhower-dollars-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-proof-1971-1978/publishedset/119137

    Darth Morgan - "The Other Ike Dollars" Showcase: https://www.PCGS.com/setregistry/showcase/3354

    The Eisenhower Dollar Meeting Room: https://www.facebook.com/groups/933585237044733

  • ZoidMeisterZoidMeister Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @darth_morgan said:

    @Zoins said:

    @fiftysevener said:
    C'mon you guys save some for the rest of us :(

    What are you wanting? They all seem to be available except for the 1932-S Buffalo Nickel:

    I just bought a 1932-S this morning, along with both 1911-S versions. I wonder if I got the last one. Maybe @dcarr can confirm?

    I believe that you did. I was looking at those again just yesterday.

    Z

    Busy chasing Carr's . . . . . woof!

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  • BullsitterBullsitter Posts: 5,720 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ZoidMeister said:

    @Bullsitter said:

    @cheezhed said:
    Something's funny on Dan's website. Some items I can add unlimited amounts to the cart and some say not enough in stock when I try to add large amounts to the cart.

    When it says Not Enough In Stock, just keep lowering your # until it says your order has been updated to the number that's in stock.

    .

    .

    The Truth comes out . . . .

    The voice of experience talking here ^^^ . .

    Z

    .
    My old friend 1940Coupe told me about that.... B)

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2021 11:25AM

    @Bullsitter said:

    @ZoidMeister said:

    @Bullsitter said:

    @cheezhed said:
    Something's funny on Dan's website. Some items I can add unlimited amounts to the cart and some say not enough in stock when I try to add large amounts to the cart.

    When it says Not Enough In Stock, just keep lowering your # until it says your order has been updated to the number that's in stock.

    .

    .

    The Truth comes out . . . .

    The voice of experience talking here ^^^ . .

    Z

    .
    My old friend 1940Coupe told me about that.... B)

    How is 1940coupe doing? I haven't seen him around for a bit.

  • KudbegudKudbegud Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the heads up. I would have missed it.


  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 27, 2021 4:20PM

    @cheezhed said:

    @Bullsitter said:

    @cheezhed said:
    Something's funny on Dan's website. Some items I can add unlimited amounts to the cart and some say not enough in stock when I try to add large amounts to the cart.

    When it says Not Enough In Stock, just keep lowering your # until it says your order has been updated to the number that's in stock.

    I understand that but some of the new offerings that show lower mintages on the mintage page I'm able to put 1000 pieces in my cart.

    The mintages pages show final mintages (in most cases). But for most new products, the mintages are listed as "so far" (or not "final") and they will increase as orders come in (up to a limit in some cases).

    In other words, some new products are "mint to order". And these new products are limited to either a maximum mintage, or a limited window of time that they will be available (usually 3 to 6 months - some longer, some shorter).

  • darth_morgandarth_morgan Posts: 192 ✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:

    @dcarr said:

    @darth_morgan said:

    @Zoins said:

    @fiftysevener said:
    C'mon you guys save some for the rest of us :(

    What are you wanting? They all seem to be available except for the 1932-S Buffalo Nickel:

    I just bought a 1932-S this morning, along with both 1911-S versions. I wonder if I got the last one. Maybe @dcarr can confirm?

    Yes, I had that one last piece in available inventory - you got it.

    Can the man get a special holder? "Last strike?"

    I second that! LOL.

    My Eisenhower Dollar Complete Variety Set, Circulation Strikes and Proof (PCGS Registry):
    https://www.PCGS.com/SetRegistry/dollars/eisenhower-dollars-specialty-sets/eisenhower-dollars-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-proof-1971-1978/publishedset/119137

    Darth Morgan - "The Other Ike Dollars" Showcase: https://www.PCGS.com/setregistry/showcase/3354

    The Eisenhower Dollar Meeting Room: https://www.facebook.com/groups/933585237044733

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:

    @dcarr said:

    @darth_morgan said:

    @Zoins said:

    @fiftysevener said:
    C'mon you guys save some for the rest of us :(

    What are you wanting? They all seem to be available except for the 1932-S Buffalo Nickel:

    I just bought a 1932-S this morning, along with both 1911-S versions. I wonder if I got the last one. Maybe @dcarr can confirm?

    Yes, I had that one last piece in available inventory - you got it.

    Can the man get a special holder? "Last strike?"

    Well, the last one sold does not usually equate to the last one over-struck (the over-strike sequence gets randomized during inspection, packaging, and shipping). So no special label on that one. But if you see me at a coin show or somewhere I could maybe autograph the label for you.

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I guess I missed the boat on the '32 S Buff. Are any more to be released or would you have to shoot us after giving us the info? LOL

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinsarefun said:
    Is that gold @Zoins ? I didn’t find it.......can you give me a link

    It's in the Moonlight Mint Catalog page here:

    http://www.moonlightmint.com/blog_37.htm

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @7Jaguars said:
    I guess I missed the boat on the '32 S Buff. Are any more to be released or would you have to shoot us after giving us the info? LOL

    Sorry, no more to be made. They were available from September until just recently - so 4 to 5 months (which is typical for a lot of products).

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LOL. Thanks, I may have that one - must be getting old!

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • ZoidMeisterZoidMeister Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's a piece that you don't see come up for sale everyday . . . .

    Which one of you is high bidder?

    Z
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    Busy chasing Carr's . . . . . woof!

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,304 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 2, 2021 9:12PM

    Here are the full set of photos from glass1797 on eBay with the cert number.

    Stack's recently sold one from Allan Schein's collection for $7,200 but they covered up the serial number so it's hard to tell if they are the same.

    Here's the Stack's description:

    MEXICO. Gold Medallic Caballito Peso, "1907". Moonlight (Dan Carr) Mint. ANACS MS-70.

    Mintage: 12. Utilizing a 1947 50 Pesos restrike issue as the host (KM-481), this incredibly alluring and wondrous fantasy is the work of Dan Carr's Moonlight Mint and the consultation of Allan Schein--author of Mexican Beauty/Belleza Mexicana - Un Peso Caballito. Just 12 of these EXTREMELY RARE, engaging works of art were produced in December 2019, the dies having been faithfully based upon the original caballito issues with a few modifications in place in order to further enhance it aesthetically. Heating and re-softening the host allowed for the expansion of the planchet from 37mm to 39mm, with each then being struck four times at 400 tons of pressure in order to arrive at this enchanting end result. For the aficionado of the popular caballito series, exotic exonumia, or advanced gold issues, this example undoubtedly is a must and, given the paltry mintage and perfect designation, would not offer many opportunities to equal it.

    Estimate: $7,000 - $8,000.

    Provenance: From the Allan Schein Collection.

  • ZoidMeisterZoidMeister Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You know, I've been studying a few of the Wilson "Novodels" being sold by Jeff Shevlin. I don't know if anyone else has noticed this or not, but the strikes being sold as "Silver Select Triple Struck Off-Center" really seem to have been struck FOUR times . . . .

    There appears to be a "base strike" creating a "host coin," then there are three more overstrikes, each off center to varying degrees.

    See my screen grabs below for a few examples from different photos of these that I have run across. I have circled the position of the word THE in the legend of each strike to illustrate.

    My OCD just made me post this clarification. The "Triple Struck Off-Centers" are really all "Quad Struck, Triple Off-Centers" . . . .

    YMMV.

    Z
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    Busy chasing Carr's . . . . . woof!

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  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good eye Z. Some of these multi-strikes are train wrecks and hard to untangle, especially the tripled/flip overs.

    Here's something different -- Wilson on copper oversized planchet, broadstruck (out of collar). So many sharp angles made photo'ing challenging.


    The piece has very high rims as the metal was squeezed outward beyond the dies.

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