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2016-D Roosevelt DDR - Confirmed! WDDR-001, WDDR-002, WDDR-003A, WDDR-003B

PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Hello all, I thought I'd start my first post here with a question. Do you believe this is a DDR, or, a product of machine doubling. I found this 2016-D Roosevelt a few days ago and I'm open to any thoughts. The reverse appears to have doubling along the right side of top band on torch, and also along the length of torch between the flame and leaf. Of note, the band doubling does not appear to be shelf like as found on mechanical doubled pieces but has contour.



Thanks for looking and look forward to comments.



Rich



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  • georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭
    Very interesting. It does not look like "typical" machine dbling. But neither does it look like typical die dbling.



  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭✭
    Agree, very interesting! My outlet for variety attribution/confirmation is James Wiles. Visit his website, varietyvista.com for instructions.

    You may have something?
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    welcome.



    i concur with the others.



    the images leave me with the opinion of; inconclusive.



    you can send it off on its own, especially now the cat's out of the bag. the best way is to send it with other coins, if possible to offset the augmented cost per coin round trip.



    happy hunting and let us know how it goes.

    .

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 15,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi and imageto school! I say school because you not only will be taught in coins but also ethics, manners and business. Post often and most of all, have FUN! Very interesting first post indeed. With that picture, you may have taken all of us to school? Thanks for sharing and joining in.-joeyimage

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,626 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks like photobucket is even giving you cookies to even look at pix now.



    Can they be posted?
    Tempus fugit.
  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Extremely interesting....just goes to show you have to look at everything...(well, you don't HAVE to....)
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome aboard. Very interesting condition. I do not know what that represents. Let's hope Fred W. reviews it.... I intend to check my new dimes as well... There must be others. Cheers, RickO
  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks all for the very kind welcome and comments on the coin. I already had correspondence with John Wexler yesterday morning before posting this dime on the forum, and he wasn't able to determine if it's a variety either based on images. The coin was sent out this morning; I'll be sure to post results as soon as I find out.



    I'll try to get a handle on the use of photo bucket for posting of future images.



    Thanks again!
  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,166 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,191 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image ...at least John Wexler did not say "no". That is promising in itself.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just checked five of the 2016 Rosies I had in a pile of pocket change.... no luck... Cheers, RickO
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,490 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PocketArt

    Hello all, I thought I'd start my first post here with a question. Do you believe this is a DDR, or, a product of machine doubling. I found this 2016-D Roosevelt a few days ago and I'm open to any thoughts. The reverse appears to have doubling along the right side of top band on torch, and also along the length of torch between the flame and leaf. Of note, the band doubling does not appear to be shelf like as found on mechanical doubled pieces but has contour.



    Thanks for looking and look forward to comments.



    Rich



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    If it were a "Doubled Die", the leaves which overlap the area in question would be doubled.

    Significantly.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just got another 2016D in change.... no luck.... Cheers, RickO
  • georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭
    If it were a "Doubled Die", the leaves which overlap the area in question would be doubled.

    Significantly.




    Usually. But there are some weird ones that don't fit the mold.



    Examples would include 1963 washington quarters DDR FS-801 and DDO FS-103.

  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mr. Wexler looked at the 2016-D Roosevelt Dime and concluded it's a DDR!!!!!



    The 2016-D Roosevelt dime is 2016-D WDDR-001. It will be illustrated in "Wexler's Die Varieties" Website, and will be in the Varieties Notebook column in Coin World scheduled for December 19, 2016.



    I can't believe it! They are out there- I hope others find some!!!



    Thanks all!!!



    Rich
  • georgiacop50georgiacop50 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭✭
    Awesome!

  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good for you Rich. Helluva way to introduce one's self.
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,953 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow.

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PocketArt

    Mr. Wexler looked at the 2016-D Roosevelt Dime and concluded it's a DDR!!!!!



    The 2016-D Roosevelt dime is 2016-D WDDR-001. It will be illustrated in "Wexler's Die Varieties" Website, and will be in the Varieties Notebook column in Coin World scheduled for December 19, 2016.





    gratz!



    i love it that people are combing over contemporary coinage AND turning up cool stuff.



    this keeps up, im gonna have to get in on the action.



    im not getting to 100 discoveries by not keeping diversified. image



    is this your first?

    .

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll have to check out the Wexler site........I'm not seeing it on these pics.
  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Really a great find.

    That is a cool coin, with most interesting doubling.

    I hope you have more.

    Congratulations!
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is great... now I will be diligently searching pocket change.... hmmm, that reminds me.. my wife has a 'change jar'... Cheers, RickO
  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 15,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrats. What a great modern find, and esp. in the Rosey series, in which needed a kick!

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  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very odd (and an astute find!)



    I'll be interested in understanding how that happened!

    Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...



  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,166 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PocketArt
    Mr. Wexler looked at the 2016-D Roosevelt Dime and concluded it's a DDR!!!!!

    The 2016-D Roosevelt dime is 2016-D WDDR-001. It will be illustrated in "Wexler's Die Varieties" Website, and will be in the Varieties Notebook column in Coin World scheduled for December 19, 2016.

    I can't believe it! They are out there- I hope others find some!!!

    Thanks all!!!

    Rich


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  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC

    Originally posted by: PocketArt

    Mr. Wexler looked at the 2016-D Roosevelt Dime and concluded it's a DDR!!!!!



    The 2016-D Roosevelt dime is 2016-D WDDR-001. It will be illustrated in "Wexler's Die Varieties" Website, and will be in the Varieties Notebook column in Coin World scheduled for December 19, 2016.





    gratz!



    i love it that people are combing over contemporary coinage AND turning up cool stuff.



    this keeps up, im gonna have to get in on the action.



    im not getting to 100 discoveries by not keeping diversified. image



    is this your first?

    .




    Yes! My first discovery so pretty pumped!



    Thanks for the congrats everyone, and looking forward to Wexler's description and photo's when he updates his website. I got this dime back in change at a restaurant, and thought about buying a few hundred dollars in dimes at a few of the local banks in the area to search for this variety. I know it's a long shot but might as well check.



    If I find anymore; I'll be sure to post. Really hope others find this variety- would be cool to see where these crop up.
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,626 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What city are you in or near?
    Tempus fugit.
  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I found the dime in Defiance, OH- that is the provenance of the coin. Defiance is in Northwest Ohio, and I live North of Defiance- so I figure any new dimes probably came from the Philly mint through the Cleveland Fed Reserve? That's why I mention it could be a long shot with finding any of the variety mentioned; let alone any new Denver dimes...but, one never knows!
  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    UPDATE: Found 3 more!!!



    I went back down to Defiance this morning and went to the closest bank that's near the restaurant. I asked the teller if she had any "shiny new dime rolls," and she told me there's no way of telling because in paper rolls. I asked her if I could get a box of $250 in dimes and when she went to the vault; I noticed that she had a partial row of new dimes in her coin tray that were below some mixed old, and new dimes. I asked to see those and they were the 2016-D, and I bought all those too- total of 45 dimes in tray. I searched those and found 3 more of the 2016-D DDR's!!!!!!!!! I'll be going through the box later tonite to see if I can find more.











  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,953 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow!

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

  • stashstash Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PocketArt
    Hello all, I thought I'd start my first post here with a question. Do you believe this is a DDR, or, a product of machine doubling. I found this 2016-D Roosevelt a few days ago and I'm open to any thoughts. The reverse appears to have doubling along the right side of top band on torch, and also along the length of torch between the flame and leaf. Of note, the band doubling does not appear to be shelf like as found on mechanical doubled pieces but has contour.

    Thanks for looking and look forward to comments.

    Rich



    I did find a Philly .
    Wexler


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  • stashstash Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: stash
    Originally posted by: PocketArt
    Hello all, I thought I'd start my first post here with a question. Do you believe this is a DDR, or, a product of machine doubling. I found this 2016-D Roosevelt a few days ago and I'm open to any thoughts. The reverse appears to have doubling along the right side of top band on torch, and also along the length of torch between the flame and leaf. Of note, the band doubling does not appear to be shelf like as found on mechanical doubled pieces but has contour.

    Thanks for looking and look forward to comments.

    Rich



    I did find a Philly .
    Wexler


    [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/79e_zpsaol8boaj.jpg.html]image[/URL]

















    Also found 3 like this from Denver .

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  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great job Stash on the Philly!!! I'll be setting the "P's" aside too tonite while searching the box. Would be cool to find a Philly as well! I hope others in Defiance area, or, close by find a few and are willing to make the trip! I'm content with what I have so good luck. I'll give a hint to those who are familiar with Defiance, OH or close by if they want to try their luck. The bank is within 1,300 ft. of the restaurant, and on the opposite side of the road from the restaurant.



    Good luck!
  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: stash

    Originally posted by: stash

    Originally posted by: PocketArt

    Hello all, I thought I'd start my first post here with a question. Do you believe this is a DDR, or, a product of machine doubling. I found this 2016-D Roosevelt a few days ago and I'm open to any thoughts. The reverse appears to have doubling along the right side of top band on torch, and also along the length of torch between the flame and leaf. Of note, the band doubling does not appear to be shelf like as found on mechanical doubled pieces but has contour.



    Thanks for looking and look forward to comments.



    Rich






    I did find a Philly .

    Wexler





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    Also found 3 like this from Denver .



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    Do they have the doubled bands? They should be pronounced on the right side and raised.
  • StoogeStooge Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hate to say this, but I remember seeing this kind of torch on some of the 2006-2008 dimes I used to search back when I was an active dime roll searcher. Not remembering if it was doubled, but noticed the right side of the torch was a bit "Thick" compared to other dimes. For some reason, I just ignored them.

    If I were some here, I wouldn't pass up looking at dimes from 2000-date to check if other years have been doubled.

    I still have blue boxes full of culled dimes from some of these years. Will have to check them out.

    BTW, nice score on the DDR. So when will you get it into a PCGS slab with a CPG #?

    Later, Paul.
  • stashstash Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: PocketArt
    Originally posted by: stash
    Originally posted by: stash
    Originally posted by: PocketArt
    Hello all, I thought I'd start my first post here with a question. Do you believe this is a DDR, or, a product of machine doubling. I found this 2016-D Roosevelt a few days ago and I'm open to any thoughts. The reverse appears to have doubling along the right side of top band on torch, and also along the length of torch between the flame and leaf. Of note, the band doubling does not appear to be shelf like as found on mechanical doubled pieces but has contour.

    Thanks for looking and look forward to comments.

    Rich



    I did find a Philly .
    Wexler


    [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/u...e_zpsaol8boaj.jpg.html]image[/URL]

















    Also found 3 like this from Denver .

    [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/79f_zps3dhqc66n.jpg.html]image[/URL]




    Do they have the doubled bands? They should be pronounced on the right side and raised.


    I take some images of the right side, there is a double band too ....

  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stash, should look like this one I found today. I took a couple photo's and this is the best one; a little blurry but you can see the doubled bands pretty easy. Should be simple to capture just tilt coin to left.



    http://i682.photobucket.com/al...t1/005_zpsmmfiabyo.jpg



    Also, for those in Defiance, OH area I will provide one more clue to the bank where I found the 3 today. As I said, I'm not going back to location- I'm content with what I have and want to see others find these. If none are found at this bank they will go to the four winds!



    Here's the clue:



    Start where the Walls were never tested, at the confluence long ago, ford the route at its surest way, if you dare where eagles fly, you will find a chance to seek, a double die that's your's to buy!



    I know kind of cheesy but might as well have fun with this.



    For those of you who can't travel- I'll sweeten the deal...The first to respond who cracks the riddle and can provide me with the correct address of the Bank on one attempt, and provide me with only one address; I will send them a 2016-D DDR! This offer will also be posted ATS. So first to respond, here, or, there will be the winner. PM me with your chance!



    Good luck!



    Rich





  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What an awesome find and a cool thread. I love it! Those photobucket pictures make it very easy to see the double bands. Well done.
  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Edited because I can't follow directions image

  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I figure it is on the north side of town and across from Burger King image
  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Remember- all guesses must be PM. Thanks!
  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All guesses must be PM! Thanks!
  • stashstash Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭
    Here's an image of the double bands .

    [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/79h_zpsermuby4k.jpg.html]image[/URL]
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, I continue to look... but so far.. no luck.... got to be some here. image Cheers, RickO
  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: stash

    Here's an image of the double bands .



    [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/u...h_zpsermuby4k.jpg.html]image[/URL]






    Wow! It looks like you have one! The 2016-D PL finish on these really enhances the beauty of this particular variety. Good job!
  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hchcoin was the first to answer correctly to the riddle, and will receive one of these beauties. Congrats! Thanks for the guesses to those who participated! If anyone else wants to participate yet for fun- feel free; I'll post answer to riddle tomorrow evening.



    Rich
  • stashstash Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭
    Here's some new images, I get my best shots first thing in the morning .

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  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For all those that participated in DDR riddle for a 2016-D DDR- here is the answer I said I'd post tonite.



    The answer to the riddle: Need to utilize Google Maps and also use street view.



    Start where the Walls were never tested, at the confluence long ago, ford the route at its surest way, if you dare where eagles fly, you will find a chance to seek, a double die that's yours to buy!



    The opening clue to the riddle- “Start where the Walls were never tested, at the confluence long ago” would of placed the searcher at Ft. Defiance which is located at the confluence of the Maumee and Auglaize rivers. Ft. Defiance was constructed under the order of General “Mad” Anthony Wayne and completed August 17, 1794 as part of a line of defenses in the event his forces had to fall back against the Indian confederacy that was supplied by the British. General Wayne had a decisive victory against the Indian confederacy at the Battle of Fallen Timbers Augst 20th in 1794, at present day Maumee Ohio, and cemented control of the North West territory from the British and Indian confederacy. Ft. Defiance was never attacked: “Walls were never tested.”



    The second clue, “ford the route at its surest way” translates to crossing the Maumee River onto North Clinton Street. The keyword “route” refers to the Maumee River. The Maumee River connected the Great Lakes region with the Mississippi river system by a portage with the Wabash River. Early European traders used this important “route” in trade and travel, and later by France which gave a direct link from New Orleans to Quebec. This “route” was vitally strategic, from the French and Indian War to the War of 1812. The bridge over the Maumee River in relation to the Fort Defiance is closest, and best possible way to “ford the route” and would be “ at its surest way.”



    The final clue, “if you dare where eagles fly” would relate to the location of the bank where I found the 3 2016-D, DDR’s. The bank is on North Clinton Street and has a logo of an eagle incorporated along with the name of the bank: First Federal Bank. This is where street view becomes important: If you pan to the right you will see the sign with the eagle!



    The rest of the riddle is self-explanatory; “you will find a chance to seek, a double die that’s yours to buy”!



    Thanks, and please forgive the cheesiness, wanted to have a bit of fun with this find!



    Rich

  • stashstash Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭
    Just found another today ( 10/09/2016 ) that makes 4 now, but only one of them is a full band .


    [URL=http://s1296.photobucket.com/user/stash38/media/81h_zpsk0erdbk0.jpg.html]image[/URL]

  • PocketArtPocketArt Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Woot! Woot! Cool- good to see these being found. I hope others keep their peepers out and locate more! It's an interesting variety.



    Rich

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