Bust 50c Upgrade?

logger7

The owner of this Bust half said that HRH thought it would upgrade by a point at least, currently in an MS63 rattler: http://i106.photobucket.com/al...t/CappedBust29MS63.jpg

https://coins.www.collectors-s...PeopleSetCoinID=450601

http://boards.collectors-socie...ain=418202#Post9573966



Could it upgrade two points?

DIMEMAN

Is the "50" on rev. doubled?

BryceM

If he's so sure, why doesn't he send it in and get the upgrade? If you're buying it, I'd try to ignore what might happen and evaluate the coin on its own merits.

DIMEMAN

Originally posted by: BryceM
If he's so sure, why doesn't he send it in and get the upgrade? If you're buying it, I'd try to ignore what might happen and evaluate the coin on its own merits.

Cacoinguy

I dont know if it would upgrade but i would be a buyer on it...great coin

astrorat

I sure hope it looks a lot better in hand. The images don't lead me to think it's NT. Anyone can claim what some expert says, but it's just hearsay. If the owner, who based on his/her posting ATS, wants to keep it in a rattler (and will never sell), then drop it off to JA to see if it will sticker. Heck, if David Hall thinks it will "comfortably upgrade by at least one grade," then that ought to be worth at least a green CAC.

oih82w8

She is a looker!

Elcontador

Rule number one about buying coins. If you don't have it in your hand under acceptable lighting and a 5 power loop, you are buying it sight unseen.



To me, buying sight unseen is acceptable if I know the seller very well, he / she knows what I like, and I have a no questions asked seven day return privilege.



Word to the wise. You are not going to get a bump from MS 63 to MS 65 on a Capped Bust Half. Period.

johnny9434

Originally posted by: BryceM
If he's so sure, why doesn't he send it in and get the upgrade? If you're buying it, I'd try to ignore what might happen and evaluate the coin on its own merits.

yes, as my chinese friend says "sumting wong"

GoBust

Quite a blizzard of color for sure.

COCollector

Unsolicited Opinion: I think it's an O-108 (R.2).

TomB

Originally posted by: johnny9434

Originally posted by: BryceM

If he's so sure, why doesn't he send it in and get the upgrade? If you're buying it, I'd try to ignore what might happen and evaluate the coin on its own merits.

yes, as my chinese friend says "sumting wong"

I don't see anything suspicious about the coin or the owner. The owner is SkyMan, who has been active on both the PCGS and NGC boards forever and he has posted these images of this coin for perhaps over a decade. He also states that he has owned it for 25+ years and that it is not for sale. His post was about registry points and a comment by David Hall. I imagine these images are either from film or the relatively early days of quality digital imaging and that the coin might look different if imaged by someone else today.



Back to the original question in this thread; could it upgrade two points? I doubt that.

lkeigwin

Skyman, if you're reading this, I answered your question ATS.

Lance.

joebb21

Based on pictures I would not be surprised with a 2 point upgrade.

Typical flatness for an 1829 field overly clean- if the luster is popping I see nothing that would keep it from ms65

stman

OK, for some of the image connoisseurs , I'll go out on a limb and say this is an image from the late Mike Defalko coin dealer, board member coingame2000. He used a scanner unless he changed later on. He did indeed get quite the "culla" when using his scanner. Actually, I believe it was his wife that did the images.



RIP Mike.

logger7

Great coin, I have never seen such vibrant toning and color on a Bust half like this; sorry for any misunderstandings as that was the last intention. His other coins look great too.

Wabbit2313

That coin is totally Sweet!

roadrunner

A 63+ bust half from 1988-1989 could certainly upgrade 1-1/2 points. Most of them would have already been tried in the attempts to keep up with the Jones. I bought an ANACS early holder MS62 CBH back at the FUN auction in 2002 or 2003. That upgraded 2 pts to MS64. The coin was very clean too with nice color and luster.



Color as seen on this CBH was quite "rare" back in 1988-1989. PCGS was pretty hard on color and luster back then. This one looks a tad weak on the luster in the left obv field and Lib's cheek. But really can't sure unless in hand. Fwiw, I had an 1838-0 dime back in 1988. NGC MS64'd it. I then sent it to PCGS and got a stinkin' MS63. They were tough. Back to NGC and that coin went MS65. I think today that coin is now in a PCGS MS65 holder. I've had a number of MS63/64/65 coins I owned back in 1988 advance 2 points since then. I don't see why it couldn't happen for a CBH. Unusual, but not out of the question...especially for a liner 63/64 coin that was holdered as MS63.



I see no reason why this coin shouldn't upgrade to a MS64 today. Eye appeal wasn't factored in very strongly in 1988 while a few rogue hairlines or marks were. It's just the opposite today and coins like this are prime targets for big reversals today. I've learned my lessons over the years.....keep it in the darn rattler. There are so few of those left and they only get rarer, esp. looking like this. Going for an upgrade should be a last act of desperation only if you're thinking of bailing out for good. It's worth more in this holder as a 63 than a modern 64 holder....just my 2c.



This same coin if graded AU58 would be worth more than MS64 money. Keep cracking it out until it comes back AU58.

ricko

Looking at the pictures carefully, I believe it could go MS64. While I do not collect the various generations of slabs (although I have acquired them just through collecting the coins), some people do - and that should be considered if one intends to sell the coin. Overall, a very nice coin... Cheers, RickO

logger7

There are big jumps moneywise from 63-64-65. https://coins.ha.com/itm/bust-...hortDescription-071515



I'm not sure what the price spreads were like when the coin was graded which many people do not consider on the older conservative grading especially with type gold. When upgrades didn't make that much of a difference they could afford to be cautious.

roadrunner

I'm not sure what the price spreads were like when the coin was graded which many people do not consider on the older conservative grading especially with type gold. When upgrades didn't make that much of a difference they could afford to be cautious.



In those days, the price basically doubled for each point added from MS63 to MS67. The grades made a HUGE difference in price back then. And consequently there was a huge business of cracking out freshly graded coins seeing as there was hardly any supply of them on the market yet. I cracked out a hundred or so MS63 to MS64 type coins back then. It was an easier game to play then because the grading tended to be pretty consistent. I'd say that 10-25% of every submission was worth cracking out again.



In 1989 the prices on MS bust halves were as high as they are today....though shifted at least 1 pt on the grading scale. It made sense to crack 'em out if they were strong for the grade. There was no CAC. There were no "old" holders or + signs. The only way to get the score was to crack them.



Since there was no such thing as a regrade or details grade, you had to assume the risk that you could get the coin back in a holder, or your only out was to reconsign to an auction as a raw coin. That wasn't so bad even into 1990 as 80-90% of all auctions were still raw coins. Recall that any superb gem capped bust half with a single facial hairline or faint scratch wouldn't grade higher than MS64 regardless of eye appeal. One flaw on the focal points or in the large fields were grounds for a 64 grade or lower. Today, some of those coins grade as high as MS67.



CBH 29 DEC 1989 ANE/CCE prices:



MS62 $1125

MS63 $2150

MS64 $5300

MS65 $10,250

MS66 $21,250

MS67 $41,000