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djmdjm Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭✭✭
As some of you know approximately $100,000 worth of coins were stolen from my home. The Police recovered about $6,000 worth of coins from various locations. Some of the buyers were more cooperative in returning the coins than others.

One of the business that returned coins filed "theft by deception" charges against the guy who sold him the coins. I think he knew the coins were stolen as he was going to sell stuff several times a week. This business got $5 Modern Commemorative gold coins and turned over about a roll of Jefferson Nickels. From what I understand he paid $125 for the 1/4 oz. gold coin, he is looking for $175 in restitution. Bottom line he pays $2.00 for $50 dollars and 1/4 oz. of gold.

I got a call from the ADA Friday asking me to testify in the case for the business owner. There is no upside for me to going. The business owner would get $175.

Would you go and help out the crooked business owner.

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  • panexpoguypanexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Justice is not always fair, but it is an important part of our society. Show up, answer the questions asked honestly, and walk away. The business owner will have to deal with his karma on his own.
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I'd go and tell the truth as to value. I'd have a red book in hand.



    bob
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  • garrynotgarrynot Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    I agree, if you want the police and prosecutor to be motivated to help you, then you have to help them meet their goals.
  • PaleElfPaleElf Posts: 990 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: djm

    As some of you know approximately $100,000 worth of coins were stolen from my home. The Police recovered about $6,000 worth of coins from various locations. Some of the buyers were more cooperative in returning the coins than others.



    One of the business that returned coins filed "theft by deception" charges against the guy who sold him the coins. I think he knew the coins were stolen as he was going to sell stuff several times a week. This business got $5 Modern Commemorative gold coins and turned over about a roll of Jefferson Nickels. From what I understand he paid $125 for the 1/4 oz. gold coin, he is looking for $175 in restitution. Bottom line he pays $2.00 for $50 dollars and 1/4 oz. of gold.



    I got a call from the ADA Friday asking me to testify in the case for the business owner. There is no upside for me to going. The business owner would get $175.



    Would you go and help out the crooked business owner.




    If you don't go, don't ask for law enforcement's help ever again. You are not assisting the business owner. You are assisting law enforcement.



  • djmdjm Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: garrynot
    I agree, if you want the police and prosecutor to be motivated to help you, then you have to help them meet their goals.


    The police and the prosecutor are not helping me at all. I don't have my coins and will never have my coins they were melted down the day they walked in the door. The only reason the police did anything is they were tracked to the shop.

    If they were actually prosecuting for stealing the coins I would go and testify. I feel that helping the crooked business man only sends the massage that dealing in stolen merchandise is socially acceptable and their is money to be made
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you feel that way, then stay home. As you said they are not helping you anyway.



    Nor will they in the future............





    bob
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The important thing is that you stay on the good side of the police. You may need them again in the not too distant future on other matters such as credit card fraud. I was recently the victim of credit card fraud and filed a police report; the first time I have done that. The crooks are getting more sophisticated (something the police confirmed) and you need to keep the police interested if you have to file another complaint. The fact that you are possibly helping another crook by testifying is unfortunate but not doing so may end up being to your detriment down the road.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: 291fifth
    The important thing is that you stay on the good side of the police. You may need them again in the not too distant future on other matters such as credit card fraud. I was recently the victim of credit card fraud and filed a police report; the first time I have done that. The crooks are getting more sophisticated (something the police confirmed) and you need to keep the police interested if you have to file another complaint. The fact that you are possibly helping another crook by testifying is unfortunate but not doing so may end up being to your detriment down the road.


    I have to agree with 291fifth ten thousand percent. As I heard a Federal Prosecutor say one time: "If you screw me and do not testify, I am going to **** you hard whenever I get the chance!" You need to be on the good side of the law even though you do not agree with them now.
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  • djmdjm Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think you guys are missing the point here. I am NOT the VICTIM in this case. The fence is the victim. I would merely be a witness to help this guy steal more money because he did not follow the rules. I have not been served with supena.

    FYI: I gave the police a 9 type page list of items that were taken -- No Nickels were on this list.

    If anybody wants this deal let me know: I give you a roll of nickels You give me $175 in cash plus 1/4 oz. gold coin
  • oldstandardoldstandard Posts: 387 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: djm

    I think you guys are missing the point here. I am NOT the VICTIM in this case. The fence is the victim. I would merely be a witness to help this guy steal more money because he did not follow the rules. I have not been served with supena.



    FYI: I gave the police a 9 type page list of items that were taken -- No Nickels were on this list.



    If anybody wants this deal let me know: I give you a roll of nickels You give me $175 in cash plus 1/4 oz. gold coin




    Not to get off the track but this was the first I have heard of this, it just makes me feel sick for you. was this just a random act or did they know you had the coins? Either way I am sorry for what happened to you.

  • i don't fully understand what is going on here, but I think you already know what to do. Just do the right thing and hold your head up high. Consequences by what they may, you will feel better the next morning.

    Bob
  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: AUandAG

    Yes, I'd go and tell the truth as to value. I'd have a red book in hand.



    bob




    This!

    Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you don't go, they can subpoena you anyway.
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  • scotty1419scotty1419 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭
    Just submit a written statement? Can that be done?
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have found, through past experiences, that working with the system is always better than not working with the system. It may not be immediately beneficial, but often down the road it can have benefits. Your testimony can lend credence to your ability and knowledge which could benefit in the future. Becoming known in the legal circles has benefits... Cheers, RickO
  • djmdjm Posts: 1,565 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ADA -- Assistant District Attorney

    It was not a random act. They knew that I had coins in the house.

    Here's what happened at the court:

    It was just me, the ADA, and the defense lawyer. The court didn't bother to transport the defendant in from the local holding facility. The shop owner sold the business and moved out of the country. The police had no interest in the case.

    I did get to see the State's evidence. It was a picture of the pile of nickels that the shop owner claims he paid $125 for. A sticky note that said $50 for 5 Silver Dollars not pictured. The copy of the ID which expired in 2013, 2 years before the items were sold.

    The case was dismissed as the State couldn't proceed with out the victim. The Assistant District Attorney was also trying another case, so I had to wait around for 4 hours in the event the Judge want to ask me some questions before the case was dismissed.
  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a sad turn of events. But you did the right thing.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry to hear that it was all in vain.... Cheers, RickO
  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You need to broadcast the behavior of that shop owner on social media wherever possible. The worldwide web has a very long reach. You may never get financial compensation, but his reputation can't be regained either.

    "Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • Bob1951Bob1951 Posts: 268 ✭✭
    Originally posted by: djm

    ADA -- Assistant District Attorney



    It was not a random act. They knew that I had coins in the house.



    Here's what happened at the court:



    It was just me, the ADA, and the defense lawyer. The court didn't bother to transport the defendant in from the local holding facility. The shop owner sold the business and moved out of the country. The police had no interest in the case.



    I did get to see the State's evidence. It was a picture of the pile of nickels that the shop owner claims he paid $125 for. A sticky note that said $50 for 5 Silver Dollars not pictured. The copy of the ID which expired in 2013, 2 years before the items were sold.



    The case was dismissed as the State couldn't proceed with out the victim. The Assistant District Attorney was also trying another case, so I had to wait around for 4 hours in the event the Judge want to ask me some questions before the case was dismissed.




    That's the justice system these days. Judge gets paid. ADA gets paid. They don't care about cases like this, they still get a paycheck.



  • mrkbrown87mrkbrown87 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭
    So DJM you have to eat nearly 100k? Omg I'm terribly sorry you have to go through this. I pray you had your collection insured.
    Mark Brown

    Hoard the keys
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes that was insult to injury. sorry

    for your loss



    mark

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    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......

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