Originally posted by: MorganMan94 Just heard from the seller, this is what it said.
Matt, I'm sorry for you thinking you were scammed and for not being in communication with you.I was away tending to a family matter,in Minnesota.I won't apologize for putting my family first.You are correct,I have heard from Paypal.I had several emails from them awaiting me.With the several claims that hit my account,I'm locked out from doing pretty much everything.I won't fight your claim and will be informing Paypal,as well.I had something way further important to me,to handle,I wasn't trying to take yours or anyone else's.money. Thanks! Kevin kpcoins
Still having trouble believing him as he said he shipped it to me and a few others.
Amazing how scammers who get called out for their BS try to make themselves the victim and try to make you the low life. I agree his story doesn't hold up if he says he mailed the package. I wonder what fantasy BS he will come up with why the package never arrived.
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Glad I continue to not use PayPal gift on BST or anywhere else to pay someone.
Thankful for the gifts the Mint gives me and I don't have to worry about whether not there going to be shipped to me.
(With no CC fees.)
Happy I see the value of dealing with long-term rather than low post members on the BST.
Elated that I have yet to get shafted.
This. I do not believe ethically in using PayPal Gift for coin purchases, and using regular PayPal is just a cost of doing business. If you are a professional you can either choose to accept regular PayPal or not, but sellers should realize the risks they are taking. And buyers as well.
Glad I continue to not use PayPal gift on BST or anywhere else to pay someone.
Thankful for the gifts the Mint gives me and I don't have to worry about whether not there going to be shipped to me.
(With no CC fees.)
Happy I see the value of dealing with long-term rather than low post members on the BST.
Elated that I have yet to get shafted.
This. I do not believe ethically in using PayPal Gift for coin purchases, and using regular PayPal is just a cost of doing business. If you are a professional you can either choose to accept regular PayPal or not, but sellers should realize the risks they are taking. And buyers as well.
To each his own. It's hard to swallow 3% when it means the difference between selling at a loss or breaking even. If your PPG is no good, then neither is your word nor your check. If it takes accepting PP to close a deal then that's ok too. I can roll many different ways.
I don't buy the family matters excuse response...refunds etc. could have been done long before...but that said...Bottom line here is that none of this happens if you don't use PP gift in the first place. I don't like seeing anyone get ripped off and detest scammers but people who take risks to save a buck don't get 100% sympathy from me when they get burned.
Well guys, I got an email from PayPal saying the case was closed in my favor. It is great that everything worked out like I had hoped (other than the original deal) and I didn't have to go to extraordinary measures to recover or attempt to recover my money.
I owe a big thanks to PayPal for helping me out even though it was a gift payment.
Well guys, I got an email from PayPal saying the case was closed in my favor. It is great that everything worked out like I had hoped (other than the original deal) and I didn't have to go to extraordinary measures to recover or attempt to recover my money.
I owe a big thanks to PayPal for helping me out even though it was a gift payment.
Did you give Paypal 3% for their trouble? Just kidding and glad it worked out for you.
To my knowledge this is the second Paypal gift transaction on BST that has gone bad and Paypal refunded the "gifter". Of course I am sure there have been others.
The first one I heard of was several years ago and involved nearly 5 figures on a metals deal. I had brought from and talked with this "buyer" and he told me Paypal refunded him $8,000 or $9,000 IIRC. They also told him never to use Paypal gift for purchases again!
I'm glad to hear of that and hope the others get their dough back too....I had an ebay guy bounce a check on me over $300, 3X the check was presented and bounced, last time took 28 days from his credit union. He made a lot of promises and excuses. Now it's in the cops hands, she said she would call then issue an arrest warrant.
Originally posted by: MorganMan94 Well guys, I got an email from PayPal saying the case was closed in my favor. It is great that everything worked out like I had hoped (other than the original deal) and I didn't have to go to extraordinary measures to recover or attempt to recover my money. I owe a big thanks to PayPal for helping me out even though it was a gift payment.
Congrats, won't work out for the seller. Paypal is very aggressive in recovering stolen funds. While they don't publicize it (they should to discourage future crooks) they use every resource at their disposal to deal with thievery.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
Well guys, I got an email from PayPal saying the case was closed in my favor. It is great that everything worked out like I had hoped (other than the original deal) and I didn't have to go to extraordinary measures to recover or attempt to recover my money.
I owe a big thanks to PayPal for helping me out even though it was a gift payment.
Congrats, won't work out for the seller. Paypal is very aggressive in recovering stolen funds. While they don't publicize it (they should to discourage future crooks) they use every resource at their disposal to deal with thievery.
How does that work out when the money was sent as a gift? No invoice or transaction details back up their claim do they? I don't see how that could hold up legally. Just sayin' not condoning anything that was done here.
Originally posted by: MorganMan94 Well guys, I got an email from PayPal saying the case was closed in my favor. It is great that everything worked out like I had hoped (other than the original deal) and I didn't have to go to extraordinary measures to recover or attempt to recover my money. I owe a big thanks to PayPal for helping me out even though it was a gift payment.
Congrats, won't work out for the seller. Paypal is very aggressive in recovering stolen funds. While they don't publicize it (they should to discourage future crooks) they use every resource at their disposal to deal with thievery.
How does that work out when the money was sent as a gift? No invoice or transaction details back up their claim do they? I don't see how that could hold up legally. Just sayin' not condoning anything that was done here.
Seller committed fraud (violated user agreement) against paypal by accepting payment for merchandise as a no-fee "gift." Keep in mind that recipient of paypal funds is on the hook for the transaction fee. Looks like there is more than one buyer reporting this seller to paypal. All paypal needs to establish fraud is a statement from the payee and/or payee provided communications between the buyer and seller.
Additionally, paypal was used to steal money from buyers. I'm sure this doesn't go over too well with paypal since their reputation is paramount.
Maybe the OP can report whether paypal requested anything/information.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
Well guys, I got an email from PayPal saying the case was closed in my favor. It is great that everything worked out like I had hoped (other than the original deal) and I didn't have to go to extraordinary measures to recover or attempt to recover my money.
I owe a big thanks to PayPal for helping me out even though it was a gift payment.
Congrats, won't work out for the seller. Paypal is very aggressive in recovering stolen funds. While they don't publicize it (they should to discourage future crooks) they use every resource at their disposal to deal with thievery.
How does that work out when the money was sent as a gift? No invoice or transaction details back up their claim do they? I don't see how that could hold up legally. Just sayin' not condoning anything that was done here.
Seller committed fraud (violated user agreement) against paypal by accepting payment for merchandise as a no-fee "gift." Keep in mind that recipient of paypal funds is on the hook for the transaction fee. Looks like there is more than one buyer reporting this seller to paypal. All paypal needs to establish fraud is a statement from the payee and/or payee provided communications between the buyer and seller.
Additionally, paypal was used to steal money from buyers. I'm sure this doesn't go over too well with paypal since their reputation is paramount.
Maybe the OP can report whether paypal requested anything/information.
Derryb pretty much said it all. I talked to them and although it was a gift payment method it was still a purchase as the terms of the purchase were laid out in the emails exchanged. They just asked me to upload a few emails so I did that clearly stated the original purchase agreement. I know that Drunner and Jay1187 also filed cases with PayPal for their money back, as well as Gerard commenting on this thread said he did as well (although he used regular PayPal for payment).
Paypal once covered most of two transactions with a guy who said he needed two large size gold notes for his son's upcoming birthday, overnight shipping. I accepted his e-check, which bounced 4 days later or so. After a lot of aggravation paypal covered around 80% of the lost money.
Seller committed fraud (violated user agreement) against paypal by accepting payment for merchandise as a no-fee "gift." Keep in mind that recipient of paypal funds is on the hook for the transaction fee. Looks like there is more than one buyer reporting this seller to paypal. All paypal needs to establish fraud is a statement from the payee and/or payee provided communications between the buyer and seller.
Additionally, paypal was used to steal money from buyers. I'm sure this doesn't go over too well with paypal since their reputation is paramount.
Maybe the OP can report whether paypal requested anything/information.
Understood. Not trying to belabor the point, but rather playing the devil's advocate here, I have one more question.
Keep in mind that recipient of paypal funds is on the hook for the transaction fee.
Is that the case here? Was the transfer funded by a credit card so the recipient paid a fee? As you know normal pp gift transactions involve no fee on either end.
Seller committed fraud (violated user agreement) against paypal by accepting payment for merchandise as a no-fee "gift." Keep in mind that recipient of paypal funds is on the hook for the transaction fee. Looks like there is more than one buyer reporting this seller to paypal. All paypal needs to establish fraud is a statement from the payee and/or payee provided communications between the buyer and seller.
Additionally, paypal was used to steal money from buyers. I'm sure this doesn't go over too well with paypal since their reputation is paramount.
Maybe the OP can report whether paypal requested anything/information.
Understood. Not trying to belabor the point, but rather playing the devil's advocate here, I have one more question.
Keep in mind that recipient of paypal funds is on the hook for the transaction fee.
Is that the case here? Was the transfer funded by a credit card so the recipient paid a fee? As you know normal pp gift transactions involve no fee on either end.
I paid with my PayPal balance so there was no fee. If you want to use a PayPal with no fees you can't use a credit card.
Seller committed fraud (violated user agreement) against paypal by accepting payment for merchandise as a no-fee "gift." Keep in mind that recipient of paypal funds is on the hook for the transaction fee. Looks like there is more than one buyer reporting this seller to paypal. All paypal needs to establish fraud is a statement from the payee and/or payee provided communications between the buyer and seller.
Additionally, paypal was used to steal money from buyers. I'm sure this doesn't go over too well with paypal since their reputation is paramount.
Maybe the OP can report whether paypal requested anything/information.
Understood. Not trying to belabor the point, but rather playing the devil's advocate here, I have one more question.
Keep in mind that recipient of paypal funds is on the hook for the transaction fee.
Is that the case here? Was the transfer funded by a credit card so the recipient paid a fee? As you know normal pp gift transactions involve no fee on either end.
My point was that the seller cheated paypal out of a transaction fee by requesting the no fee gift payment. This does not go over well with paypal.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
id like to see, "no thanks to KP" added to the second line for thread title. *resolved* makes it seem as if KP did something to rectify, when they didn't. imo, it would benefit the readers to see that is the case w/o entering the thread. appreciate your consideration.
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Just heard from the seller, this is what it said.
Matt,
I'm sorry for you thinking you were scammed and for not being in communication with you.I was away tending to a family matter,in Minnesota.I won't apologize for putting my family first.You are correct,I have heard from Paypal.I had several emails from them awaiting me.With the several claims that hit my account,I'm locked out from doing pretty much everything.I won't fight your claim and will be informing Paypal,as well.I had something way further important to me,to handle,I wasn't trying to take yours or anyone else's.money.
Thanks!
Kevin kpcoins
Still having trouble believing him as he said he shipped it to me and a few others.
Amazing how scammers who get called out for their BS try to make themselves the victim and try to make you the low life. I agree his story doesn't hold up if he says he mailed the package. I wonder what fantasy BS he will come up with why the package never arrived.
"A dog breaks your heart only one time and that is when they pass on". Unknown
Things I like about this forum and this thread:
Glad I continue to not use PayPal gift on BST or anywhere else to pay someone.
Thankful for the gifts the Mint gives me and I don't have to worry about whether not there going to be shipped to me.
(With no CC fees.)
Happy I see the value of dealing with long-term rather than low post members on the BST.
Elated that I have yet to get shafted.
This. I do not believe ethically in using PayPal Gift for coin purchases, and using regular PayPal is just a cost of doing business. If you are a professional you can either choose to accept regular PayPal or not, but sellers should realize the risks they are taking. And buyers as well.
In order to be a good liar, you have to have a good memory.
Agree. Very true.
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Things I like about this forum and this thread:
Glad I continue to not use PayPal gift on BST or anywhere else to pay someone.
Thankful for the gifts the Mint gives me and I don't have to worry about whether not there going to be shipped to me.
(With no CC fees.)
Happy I see the value of dealing with long-term rather than low post members on the BST.
Elated that I have yet to get shafted.
This. I do not believe ethically in using PayPal Gift for coin purchases, and using regular PayPal is just a cost of doing business. If you are a professional you can either choose to accept regular PayPal or not, but sellers should realize the risks they are taking. And buyers as well.
To each his own. It's hard to swallow 3% when it means the difference between selling at a loss or breaking even. If your PPG is no good, then neither is your word nor your check. If it takes accepting PP to close a deal then that's ok too. I can roll many different ways.
In order to be a good liar, you have to have a good memory.
Agree. Very true.
...seriously...one of the truest statements I have ever heard on these boards.
In order to be a good liar, you have to have a good memory.
Agree. Very true.
...seriously...one of the truest statements I have ever heard on these boards.
I doubt that all good liars have good memories they certainly have lousy consciences or self-awareness of their actions.
Scammers understand economic reality when they get problems and opposition from the authorities.
"Overwhelm and devastate".
I don't like seeing anyone get ripped off and detest scammers but people who take risks to save a buck don't get 100% sympathy from me when they get burned.
Penny wise, pound foolish.
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I owe a big thanks to PayPal for helping me out even though it was a gift payment.
Well guys, I got an email from PayPal saying the case was closed in my favor. It is great that everything worked out like I had hoped (other than the original deal) and I didn't have to go to extraordinary measures to recover or attempt to recover my money.
I owe a big thanks to PayPal for helping me out even though it was a gift payment.
Did you give Paypal 3% for their trouble? Just kidding and glad it worked out for you.
To my knowledge this is the second Paypal gift transaction on BST that has gone bad and Paypal refunded the "gifter". Of course I am sure there have been others.
The first one I heard of was several years ago and involved nearly 5 figures on a metals deal. I had brought from and talked with this "buyer" and he told me Paypal refunded him $8,000 or $9,000 IIRC. They also told him never to use Paypal gift for purchases again!
it must have been !!! ??
Well guys, I got an email from PayPal saying the case was closed in my favor. It is great that everything worked out like I had hoped (other than the original deal) and I didn't have to go to extraordinary measures to recover or attempt to recover my money.
I owe a big thanks to PayPal for helping me out even though it was a gift payment.
Congrats, won't work out for the seller. Paypal is very aggressive in recovering stolen funds. While they don't publicize it (they should to discourage future crooks) they use every resource at their disposal to deal with thievery.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
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Well guys, I got an email from PayPal saying the case was closed in my favor. It is great that everything worked out like I had hoped (other than the original deal) and I didn't have to go to extraordinary measures to recover or attempt to recover my money.
I owe a big thanks to PayPal for helping me out even though it was a gift payment.
Congrats, won't work out for the seller. Paypal is very aggressive in recovering stolen funds. While they don't publicize it (they should to discourage future crooks) they use every resource at their disposal to deal with thievery.
How does that work out when the money was sent as a gift? No invoice or transaction details back up their claim do they? I don't see how that could hold up legally. Just sayin' not condoning anything that was done here.
Well guys, I got an email from PayPal saying the case was closed in my favor. It is great that everything worked out like I had hoped (other than the original deal) and I didn't have to go to extraordinary measures to recover or attempt to recover my money.
I owe a big thanks to PayPal for helping me out even though it was a gift payment.
Congrats, won't work out for the seller. Paypal is very aggressive in recovering stolen funds. While they don't publicize it (they should to discourage future crooks) they use every resource at their disposal to deal with thievery.
How does that work out when the money was sent as a gift? No invoice or transaction details back up their claim do they? I don't see how that could hold up legally. Just sayin' not condoning anything that was done here.
Seller committed fraud (violated user agreement) against paypal by accepting payment for merchandise as a no-fee "gift." Keep in mind that recipient of paypal funds is on the hook for the transaction fee. Looks like there is more than one buyer reporting this seller to paypal. All paypal needs to establish fraud is a statement from the payee and/or payee provided communications between the buyer and seller.
Additionally, paypal was used to steal money from buyers. I'm sure this doesn't go over too well with paypal since their reputation is paramount.
Maybe the OP can report whether paypal requested anything/information.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
Well guys, I got an email from PayPal saying the case was closed in my favor. It is great that everything worked out like I had hoped (other than the original deal) and I didn't have to go to extraordinary measures to recover or attempt to recover my money.
I owe a big thanks to PayPal for helping me out even though it was a gift payment.
Congrats, won't work out for the seller. Paypal is very aggressive in recovering stolen funds. While they don't publicize it (they should to discourage future crooks) they use every resource at their disposal to deal with thievery.
How does that work out when the money was sent as a gift? No invoice or transaction details back up their claim do they? I don't see how that could hold up legally. Just sayin' not condoning anything that was done here.
Seller committed fraud (violated user agreement) against paypal by accepting payment for merchandise as a no-fee "gift." Keep in mind that recipient of paypal funds is on the hook for the transaction fee. Looks like there is more than one buyer reporting this seller to paypal. All paypal needs to establish fraud is a statement from the payee and/or payee provided communications between the buyer and seller.
Additionally, paypal was used to steal money from buyers. I'm sure this doesn't go over too well with paypal since their reputation is paramount.
Maybe the OP can report whether paypal requested anything/information.
Derryb pretty much said it all. I talked to them and although it was a gift payment method it was still a purchase as the terms of the purchase were laid out in the emails exchanged. They just asked me to upload a few emails so I did that clearly stated the original purchase agreement. I know that Drunner and Jay1187 also filed cases with PayPal for their money back, as well as Gerard commenting on this thread said he did as well (although he used regular PayPal for payment).
Seller committed fraud (violated user agreement) against paypal by accepting payment for merchandise as a no-fee "gift." Keep in mind that recipient of paypal funds is on the hook for the transaction fee. Looks like there is more than one buyer reporting this seller to paypal. All paypal needs to establish fraud is a statement from the payee and/or payee provided communications between the buyer and seller.
Additionally, paypal was used to steal money from buyers. I'm sure this doesn't go over too well with paypal since their reputation is paramount.
Maybe the OP can report whether paypal requested anything/information.
Understood. Not trying to belabor the point, but rather playing the devil's advocate here, I have one more question.
Is that the case here? Was the transfer funded by a credit card so the recipient paid a fee? As you know normal pp gift transactions involve no fee on either end.
The OP basically used the system like others have used the PayPal system to avoid incurring a fee.
Then he decided he wanted the protection as if he or the counter party had paid the fee.
PayPal rewarded his effort.
Seller committed fraud (violated user agreement) against paypal by accepting payment for merchandise as a no-fee "gift." Keep in mind that recipient of paypal funds is on the hook for the transaction fee. Looks like there is more than one buyer reporting this seller to paypal. All paypal needs to establish fraud is a statement from the payee and/or payee provided communications between the buyer and seller.
Additionally, paypal was used to steal money from buyers. I'm sure this doesn't go over too well with paypal since their reputation is paramount.
Maybe the OP can report whether paypal requested anything/information.
Understood. Not trying to belabor the point, but rather playing the devil's advocate here, I have one more question.
Is that the case here? Was the transfer funded by a credit card so the recipient paid a fee? As you know normal pp gift transactions involve no fee on either end.
I paid with my PayPal balance so there was no fee. If you want to use a PayPal with no fees you can't use a credit card.
Seller committed fraud (violated user agreement) against paypal by accepting payment for merchandise as a no-fee "gift." Keep in mind that recipient of paypal funds is on the hook for the transaction fee. Looks like there is more than one buyer reporting this seller to paypal. All paypal needs to establish fraud is a statement from the payee and/or payee provided communications between the buyer and seller.
Additionally, paypal was used to steal money from buyers. I'm sure this doesn't go over too well with paypal since their reputation is paramount.
Maybe the OP can report whether paypal requested anything/information.
Understood. Not trying to belabor the point, but rather playing the devil's advocate here, I have one more question.
Is that the case here? Was the transfer funded by a credit card so the recipient paid a fee? As you know normal pp gift transactions involve no fee on either end.
My point was that the seller cheated paypal out of a transaction fee by requesting the no fee gift payment. This does not go over well with paypal.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
id like to see, "no thanks to KP" added to the second line for thread title.
*resolved* makes it seem as if KP did something to rectify, when they didn't.
imo, it would benefit the readers to see that is the case w/o entering the thread.
appreciate your consideration.
.
Ditto. I thought the same thing.
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