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Alert! Scammer on the forums--KP Coins *Resolved-No thanks to KP*

MorganMan94MorganMan94 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 24, 2017 10:06AM in U.S. Coin Forum
I would like to give a warning to everyone on these boards not to purchase from KP coins. His email is kevinsegaman@yahoo.com if he reappears as any other user.

At the beginning of the month he started posting here, fairly actively on the board asking newbie questions, and then in the B/S/T section. Most of what he was selling was wheat pennies and junk silver, but not at a price that would cause most people to be suspicious. I purchased using PayPal gift as he seemed like a likable guy who said he was searching through old jars of coins he inherited and was actively seeking knowledge on the boards, so I had no red flags going into the deal.

After making payment I heard from him for a few days, I asked for a tracking number after about three days and he said he had it shipped but was so busy at work and would get me the tracking number the next day. After that I have heard NOTHING at all from him despite sending him numerous emails.

I messaged Jeff (Drunner) who posted on his B/S/T post that he sent payment so I was wondering if he had received his item or heard anything from him, which he hasn't either. Jeff also mentioned to me he received a private message from another member (Jay1187) who was wondering if he had received his coins yet since he has not received his. That now brings the total to three of us, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are more out there. If so, please come forward in the comments or via a private message to me.

Just today I started doing what I could to recoup our money, I started by calling PayPal who was actually willing to file a case for me even though it was sent via gift. I also got his real name and they didn't have an address on file but they did have a town which is small enough I may be able to track him down. I am going to attempt to contact the police department in that town and see what they can do for me, as well as hopefully send him a letter of certified mail. If this fails I am considering going to the courts to get a Subpoena duces tecum issued.

Does anyone else have any advice? I am just getting into this and I know it is a lot of work, but I am determined that everyone who has been wronged will be made whole again.
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  • jclovescoinsjclovescoins Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What city and state?

    I lost $800-$900 on the BST last Feb/March getting scammed into sending someone money via PPG. Let's check if it is the same guy.
  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the heads up.
  • MorganMan94MorganMan94 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
    His name is Kevin Peterson and based off the information I got from PayPal he lives in Sharon, PA.
  • Originally posted by: MorganMan94
    His name is Kevin Peterson and based off the information I got from PayPal he lives in Sharon, PA.


    On Facebook there's a Kevin Peterson in Sharon, Connecticut. Did you mistype PA instead of CT?

    I'm coming up empty in searching public records for a Kevin Peterson in Sharon, Pennsylvania.
    I love the 3 P's: PB&J, PBR and PCGS.
  • MorganMan94MorganMan94 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I may have to call back, I am almost certain it was Sharon, PA but it could have been a mistake on one of our ends. It is at least worth looking into as I didn't have much luck in PA.

    Thank you for the tip!
  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,932 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I messaged the individual tonight to give him a chance to reply. Kudos to MorganMan94 for taking point on this. Being a trusting soul, and consummating many good deals on the BST, I had no idea I was walking into a potential problem. I really thought perhaps just a shipping difficulty may have occurred until I started hearing from others via PMs. This evening, I brought the BST post up to the top so it would be easier to find if needed.



    Sort of a bummer. I know we should all be vigilant (yes, Forum Police -- I probably should have looked for red flags) but I have had such good fortune on the BST and dealt with so many solid numismatists, I never saw anything coming.



    Sort of a creepy feeling . . . being a potential 'victim'. It certainly does have that 'violated' feeling, but I have learned my lesson. I must say, my loss is paltry compared to some.



    Thanks to MorganMan94 again . . . his plan is superb.



    Drunner
  • jclovescoinsjclovescoins Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No info about Sharon, PA. The guy that scammed me was in Minnesota. Luckily he has not returned to these boards or eBay
  • jclovescoinsjclovescoins Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did he send pictures to you of the coins to show they were in his possession?
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 44,209 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have always dealt with utmost confidence on the BST here, so that is sad news. Fifteen years and I've had no problems- only one "near miss" which worked out in the end.



    I'm sorry to hear this and hope y'all get restitution. Having a scammer on our BST feels like a home invasion, if you know what I mean.

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

  • PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭
    Seems to me the solution is to pay the extra 3% for regular paypal.
    http://stores.ebay.ca/Mattscoin - Canadian coins, World Coins, Silver, Gold, Coin lots, Modern Mint Products & Collections
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It sucks that it happened.



    We all need to be vigilant in our dealings. Whether here, ebay, or anywhere.



    I've had people send me $5000+ on my name/reputation, and I have sent others four figures (at one time) the same way.



    I've also had those times when I didn't know folks that I wouldn't send money until I got the coin. Particularly if they wanted PPG or a check. Never a problem with folks so far, in that respect. I don't mind walking away if I don't like the way a deal feels.



    I've also, when I wasn't so sure and someone wanted PPG, done the PP bit but paid the 3% myself, as mentioned as an option just above this post. Insurance, imo.



    I hope people get made hole. I also hope things weren't too much $$$.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Pokermandude

    Seems to me the solution is to pay the extra 3% for regular paypal.






    +1
  • BustCudsBustCuds Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭


    Very sad to hear this news image



    I've never had a problem with my purchases or sales here.



    Hope you are made whole.

    Thank you for the heads-up.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the warning. I have dealt on the BST many times over the years and never had a problem, so this is worrisome. I use paypal and, if necessary, pay the 3% just for the security.

    I hope all works out for those affected. Cheers, RickO
  • gtstanggtstang Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Since you have his email, could you search around the Internet to see if that gives you any clues?
  • MorganMan94MorganMan94 Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, I did not get pictures showing me that he had the coins in his possession. I wasn't worried about that since I most of what I bought was junk silver, it seems odd that he would sell me $7.90 face in Roosevelt dimes, $11.75 in Washington quarters, and so on. Everything was in odd amounts so I thought it was believable that he found them in an old jug of coins he was searching through.

    I would agree with everyone here that is it very disappointing, although I haven't been a member here for very long I have never had an issue with this site, other coin forums, or even auto forums buying auto parts. I definitely will not be sending anymore PayPal gift, paying an extra 3% for "insurance" is seeming more worth it to me now that I am on the other end dealing with the issues. 3% does add a decent premium to buying junk silver around melt value which is what initially led me to falling for this.

    I have searched the internet using his email, but my guess is it was created solely for this purpose. I am hoping that Drunner and Jay 1187 file with PayPal and he has three disputes on gift transactions over a short period of time, which should throw up red flags to PayPal.

  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The red flags it will put up will be why so many people wish they hadn't sent GIFTS to their.....friends.
  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the heads up! I've also had many good transactions, both as buyer and seller, on the BST. Best of luck in getting your mo ey back and finding the guy!
    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • dbtunrdbtunr Posts: 614 ✭✭✭
    I know there is no recourse with Paypal gift. Anyone have any experience with Venmo as a payment method?



    I would also advocate to CLCT to allow only paying members to access the BST. These scams seem to be more frequent than not. CLCT would at least have a name, address and credit card number on file.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another scammer ... Not surprised.

    Sorry for you guys' loss.
  • liefgoldliefgold Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kudos for outing this scammer! I have had all positive transactions on the BST for years but just recently had a scammer try to rip me. I did not out him here but should have. I later found he also got money from several other forum members which I believe was eventually recovered by them. There seems to be more of these stories lately.
    Moral of the story is to check with others before you send your money.
    liefgold
  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,077 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Isn't paying for a purchase with paypal gift a scam in itself?

    probably not a good idea to report yourself to paypal.

    Sorry for your loss, thanks for outing him and the dangers of PPG.

    Do you have an ebay ID for this seller?

    If you understand what is coming, then you can duck. If not, then you get sucker-punched. - Martin Armstrong

  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,248 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: jclovescoins
    What city and state?

    I lost $800-$900 on the BST last Feb/March getting scammed into sending someone money via PPG. Let's check if it is the same guy.



    Can't trust newbies .. to save 3 % ?
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,592 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When you send money with PayPal, PayPal is providing a service.

    They created PayPal Gift for sending money to friends and family.

    When you are sending money to someone else other than friends and family,

    PayPal has provided you a service, and when someone provides a service,

    they should be paid for it. Sorry to be preachy about it, but that is my opinion.



    Plus, PayPal Gift doesn't give you any recourse if the deal goes bad.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have also had nothing but success in the BST here.



    This is why there are crooked rivers and politicians...they take the path of least resistance.
    oih82w8 = Oh I Hate To Wait _defectus patientia_aka...Dr. Defecto - Curator of RMO's

    BST transactions: dbldie55, jayPem, 78saen, UltraHighRelief, nibanny, liefgold, FallGuy, lkeigwin, mbogoman, Sandman70gt, keets, joeykoins, ianrussell (@GC), EagleEye, ThePennyLady, GRANDAM, Ilikecolor, Gluggo, okiedude, Voyageur, LJenkins11, fastfreddie, ms70, pursuitofliberty, ZoidMeister,Coin Finder, GotTheBug, edwardjulio, Coinnmore, Nickpatton, Namvet69,...
  • dbtunrdbtunr Posts: 614 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: RichieURich

    When you send money with PayPal, PayPal is providing a service.

    They created PayPal Gift for sending money to friends and family.

    When you are sending money to someone else other than friends and family,

    PayPal has provided you a service, and when someone provides a service,

    they should be paid for it. Sorry to be preachy about it, but that is my opinion.



    Plus, PayPal Gift doesn't give you any recourse if the deal goes bad.




    That's why I suggest Venmo. You can wire from your bank or debit card for FREE. You can also use credit card for 3% fee. Venmo is owned by Paypal.



  • ashelandasheland Posts: 24,112 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: hchcoin
    Thanks for the heads up.


    +1
  • DavideoDavideo Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: dbtunr
    That's why I suggest Venmo. You can wire from your bank or debit card for FREE. You can also use credit card for 3% fee. Venmo is owned by Paypal.


    How does a wire give you any recourse?

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 24,112 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Pokermandude
    Seems to me the solution is to pay the extra 3% for regular paypal.


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  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,151 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've made numerous successful purchases via this forum over the years, but I have never and will not conduct "business" via PPG. Best to walk away or pay the 3% fee for reg PP. Also make sure, the seller invoices you with a description of what you are paying for.
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • dbtunrdbtunr Posts: 614 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Davideo

    Originally posted by: dbtunr

    That's why I suggest Venmo. You can wire from your bank or debit card for FREE. You can also use credit card for 3% fee. Venmo is owned by Paypal.





    How does a wire give you any recourse?







    Obviously a wire gives no recourse but you can also use a debit card for FREE. Depending on the terms of your debit card, you may have recourse.
  • GerardGerard Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭
    I am also a victim but thankfully paid via paypal regular because kpcoins was so new.
    You should all file a claim with Paypal because they will try to get your money back even if its via gift
    especially if they see a pattern.
    http://www.ebay.com/sch/Coins-...=10&_ssn=infoflexsales




    Plenty of high dollar transactions :
    jdimmick, commoncents05, Smittys, guitarwes
  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would follow legal procedure instead of turning your anger away from where it belongs; on the crook. File a police report or internet crime report as well as a fraud report with paypal. Maybe also a usps fraud report with the inspectors. Keep up the pressure until the perp. cries uncle. And I have thought that members on the boards could be on the lookout if a reported numis crime foe is local to one of the other forum members. Nasty when "friends" are really fiends....
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unless I have had many dealings with, or know the individual, I will only pay with regular PP.

    Cheers

    Bob
  • telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,964 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Pokermandude
    Seems to me the solution is to pay the extra 3% for regular paypal.


    This.

    The easiest way to avoid getting kicked by a mule is to not stand behind it in the first place.

    RIP Mom- 1932-2012
  • ChrisRxChrisRx Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭✭
    PPG should be for those in the "circle of trust" otherwise, 3%.
    image
  • logger7logger7 Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A couple of months ago I accepted a check on ebay from someone I had done business with before, he said he had problems with paypal. The check bounced twice with lots of excuses from the perpetrator. I started playing hardball with him through ebay, filling a police report. The third time the check cleared. I would only go with regular paypal; 3% is tiny in the larger scheme of things. Pennywise pound foolish.
  • It's easy to create a false identity on the internet with an email address and forum userid. How easy is it for someone to create a PayPal account with a false identity to scam? I'm thinking the PayPal account has to be tied to a verified bank account which would make this scumbag easier to identify. But is it possible to create a PayPal account tied to a Visa cash card or such?

    Just curious, how much $$$ are we talking about with this scammer? Were these $20, $200 or $1000 scam sales?
    I love the 3 P's: PB&J, PBR and PCGS.
  • liefgoldliefgold Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In the case of my scammer it was $8k that he attempted with me and failed. I do know of one member who lost $10k with him.
    liefgold
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There was a seller by the name of acascapital who ripped a bunch of people off on eBay over a short period of time. Sold junk and low priced stuff just to get his feedback juiced up and then he did the big hit on a bunch of people. Sold one guy a 1916-d d time in xf that was just a
    chinees replica for over a grand. Other bought so-called gem bu 1932d and 1932s quarters that were just polished up au’s. as the saying goes “ caveat emptor” hope you get your money back.
    Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage
    a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: dbtunr
    I know there is no recourse with Paypal gift. Anyone have any experience with Venmo as a payment method?

    I would also advocate to CLCT to allow only paying members to access the BST. These scams seem to be more frequent than not. CLCT would at least have a name, address and credit card number on file.


    I think this a very good idea.
  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,687 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: dbtunr
    I know there is no recourse with Paypal gift. Anyone have any experience with Venmo as a payment method?

    I would also advocate to CLCT to allow only paying members to access the BST. These scams seem to be more frequent than not. CLCT would at least have a name, address and credit card number on file.



    Not to come off as an ***** or insensitive but why in the hell would CLCT ever get involved with the BST function on this board? A stated earlier it's really simple you had better start using Paypal and not choose the family and friends method.
    Successful coin BST transactions with Gerard and segoja.

    Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    3% seems like cheap insurance now don't it?
  • dbtunrdbtunr Posts: 614 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Cakes

    Originally posted by: dbtunr

    I know there is no recourse with Paypal gift. Anyone have any experience with Venmo as a payment method?



    I would also advocate to CLCT to allow only paying members to access the BST. These scams seem to be more frequent than not. CLCT would at least have a name, address and credit card number on file.






    Not to come off as an ***** or insensitive but why in the hell would CLCT ever get involved with the BST function on this board? A stated earlier it's really simple you had better start using Paypal and not choose the family and friends method.





    Well you did come off as an *****. By even offering a BST on THEIR site, they are already involved. Doesn't it tarnish their image having these threads surface every month? How hard would it be to ask for a member number?



    Maybe they should just take the BST sections off their board.

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Cakes

    Originally posted by: dbtunr

    I know there is no recourse with Paypal gift. Anyone have any experience with Venmo as a payment method?



    I would also advocate to CLCT to allow only paying members to access the BST. These scams seem to be more frequent than not. CLCT would at least have a name, address and credit card number on file.








    Not to come off as an ***** or insensitive but why in the hell would CLCT ever get involved with the BST function on this board? A stated earlier it's really simple you had better start using Paypal and not choose the family and friends method.





    There is less then zero chance they want to take this on



    mark

    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: dbtunr

    I know there is no recourse with Paypal gift. Anyone have any experience with Venmo as a payment method?



    I would also advocate to CLCT to allow only paying members to access the BST. These scams seem to be more frequent than not. CLCT would at least have a name, address and credit card number on file.








    Worst idea EVER for CLCT to do as, then if there were any incident, they could be involved when they don't want to be.



    The BST is, largely, a clean environment for people to transact with each other.

    By having its own forum, it keeps "deals" from the USCF and other places.



    If CLCT were to restrict it to paying members, they would have to devote resources to making sure each person were still active with them, answer questions, work on issues, etc etc etc....all when 2 parties are just trying to transact with each other.



    Then, if something goes really wrong, they would be getting lawyers involved to get information and involving CLCT and they would have to devote resources to that.



    Not a smart idea at all.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • dbtunrdbtunr Posts: 614 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Bochiman

    Originally posted by: dbtunr

    I know there is no recourse with Paypal gift. Anyone have any experience with Venmo as a payment method?



    I would also advocate to CLCT to allow only paying members to access the BST. These scams seem to be more frequent than not. CLCT would at least have a name, address and credit card number on file.








    Worst idea EVER for CLCT to do as, then if there were any incident, they could be involved when they don't want to be.



    The BST is, largely, a clean environment for people to transact with each other.

    By having its own forum, it keeps "deals" from the USCF and other places.



    If CLCT were to restrict it to paying members, they would have to devote resources to making sure each person were still active with them, answer questions, work on issues, etc etc etc....all when 2 parties are just trying to transact with each other.



    Then, if something goes really wrong, they would be getting lawyers involved to get information and involving CLCT and they would have to devote resources to that.



    Not a smart idea at all.




    fine. close down the BST's and ban anyone who hawks a coin on the site.



    What's the point of having all these digital sites (pop, coinfacts, prices, forums, etc) if they make virtually no money and only cause headaches? All the money is derived from ads which in aggregate are negligible.

  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,687 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: dbtunr
    Originally posted by: Cakes
    Originally posted by: dbtunr
    I know there is no recourse with Paypal gift. Anyone have any experience with Venmo as a payment method?

    I would also advocate to CLCT to allow only paying members to access the BST. These scams seem to be more frequent than not. CLCT would at least have a name, address and credit card number on file.



    Not to come off as an ***** or insensitive but why in the hell would CLCT ever get involved with the BST function on this board? A stated earlier it's really simple you had better start using Paypal and not choose the family and friends method.


    Well you did come off as an *****. By even offering a BST on THEIR site, they are already involved. Doesn't it tarnish their image having these threads surface every month? How hard would it be to ask for a member number?

    Maybe they should just take the BST sections off their board.


    First off let me say I hate the fact that you and some other got burned. It sucks and I hope Karma somehow smashes these crooks in the face.

    These threads surface every month because people keep making themselves easy targets by using the Paypal friends and family function. If people started using the 3% option in addition to being more careful in all aspects of their BST transaction less and less of these situations would happen.

    Successful coin BST transactions with Gerard and segoja.

    Successful card BST transactions with cbcnow, brogurt, gstarling, Bravesfan 007, and rajah 424.
  • PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: dbtunr
    I would also advocate to CLCT to allow only paying members to access the BST. These scams seem to be more frequent than not. CLCT would at least have a name, address and credit card number on file.


    One should take measures to protect themselves and not rely on others to do it for them.

    Regular Paypal is a fine service. Cutting corners to save a few bucks can, occasionally, be costly.
    http://stores.ebay.ca/Mattscoin - Canadian coins, World Coins, Silver, Gold, Coin lots, Modern Mint Products & Collections
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nobody can protect "us" from certain people. Just put their information out there so we know who we are dealing with, when the time comes.

    Now, what CLCT/PCGS does have is the information to track perpetrators. Not that this is any assignment of theirs'. ( To the suggestion of this company having to change , yet again) Leave well enough alone.



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