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Have you ever been banned from a Coin Show??
keets
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The thought of being banned from a Coin Show is sort of mind boggling to me. To the best of my recollection I can't ever remember hearing or knowing of anyone who had suffered such a fate......................until now.
I have been banned from a Coin Show by the Bourse Chairman!!!
It all stems from this thread which was evidently seen by a few people and reported to the Show Chairman who then called our store. I didn't have the pleasure of speaking with him, he talked with my boss and informed him that I could no longer attend the show. He called back a second time, I guess the whole thing must really have gotten under his skin.
I think the whole thing is a little over-blown. I'm willing to accept responsibility for what I said in the thread and apologize to the Chairman if my assertions are untrue. Short of that I suppose I just need to figure out what to do on my extra day off every month.
Al H.
I have been banned from a Coin Show by the Bourse Chairman!!!
It all stems from this thread which was evidently seen by a few people and reported to the Show Chairman who then called our store. I didn't have the pleasure of speaking with him, he talked with my boss and informed him that I could no longer attend the show. He called back a second time, I guess the whole thing must really have gotten under his skin.
I think the whole thing is a little over-blown. I'm willing to accept responsibility for what I said in the thread and apologize to the Chairman if my assertions are untrue. Short of that I suppose I just need to figure out what to do on my extra day off every month.
Al H.
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Is it a formal or informal band?
(ie: enforceable or not.)
If formal than you must be served with a trespass notification.
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ive not been banned or warned but have heard of someone(s) being banned from all shows in a particular state.
wont go into details as it is bad form.
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A dealer's shop once, yes, but never a show.
My shop ban came about from a minor lapse in brick-and-mortar coin shop etiquette (over an unwritten rule of courtesy I was ignorant of at the time), and a major hotheaded overreaction on the part of the offended party whose shop I was in. I made suitable apologies a day or two later (without groveling) and was forgiven and unbanned. That dealer later became my biggest pre-CU-forum numismatic mentor and a good friend.
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
1. Told man in shop I would pay him more for his coin than the dealer just offered.
2. Told a dealer he was selling cleaned coins. A year later, after he attended a presentation I gave, he became a good friend, sold me his Nikon microscope (which I still have), and relied on my opinions.
Luckily, we always had four to five shops in the city as I learned the ropes.
These are public forums. All the whining and complaint threads are getting old. People in the real world have gotten fired over tweets and Facebook posts. This is no different. People in the real world have been bullied by social media and committed suicide. I believe there was even an incident here of that depending on your view. For people who are of the age that should know better, how come you guys don't know better?
The above line of yours most likely caused some kind of problem. I don't know the guy but if he was a friend of mine and I read the above, I would tell him.
Here is your original thread link that works. HERE:
Their show, their rules.....
Gutless.
I'd show up anyway.
Make him tell you face to face.
Has he offered any explanation towards your accusation?
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As a new collector with no clue about coin shop etiquette either - banned (told to get out and don't come back in no uncertain terms) from two different shops.
1. Told man in shop I would pay him more for his coin than the dealer just offered.
2. Told a dealer he was selling cleaned coins. A year later, after he attended a presentation I gave, he became a good friend, sold me his Nikon microscope (which I still have), and relied on my opinions.
Luckily, we always had four to five shops in the city as I learned the ropes.
Your #1 above is what my offended dealer THOUGHT I was doing. I wasn't, though. I was merely trying to help a member of the public out.
A lady had come in with some mostly low-value world coins. This dealer dealt almost exclusively in US coins. He had no interest at all in her coins and dismissed her (well, her coins, anyway). Not exactly rudely, but not too tactfully, either. I gave her my card and told her I could help her look them up and grade them. He thought I was tying to BUY them and do MY business in HIS shop (there's where that unwritten but understandable rule of etiquette kicks in). He had already refused to do business with her or her coins. I was only trying to help her and wasn't too interested in her coins either, though I might have bought some if there had later turned out to be any sleepers in with the junk.
All a misunderstanding. A slight novice misjudgment on my part and a hasty overreaction on his part.
It all came out in the wash, though. That's not the first time I had friction with somebody who later turned into a good friend when the misunderstanding was cleared up.
PS- I made your mistake #2 in the presence of a flea market dealer who had rather optimistic grading standards and another customer in front of him. Got well and thoroughly cussed out for it, too.
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
Drunner
Doggone . . . your original thread was bammed . . . . was going to try to remember the situation, but no problems . . .we all move on . .
Drunner
No it's not. His link is messed up.
tell us if the security guard throws you down, tazes and handcuffs you (when you go)
1. Told man in shop I would pay him more for his coin than the dealer just offered.
That will get you banned for sure
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That's a valid point.
His panties might be in a bunch because you aired the question in a public way but his failure to provided the security as promised is what caused it to be a topic.
If I were you I'd stay away from a show I'm not invited to but I'd have a vested interest in continuing to question (publicly) where's the damn security? While it's true that hosting such an event is a thankless job, charging a fee for something you fail to deliver is on you, the Chairman.
Don't put yourself in that situation.
Practice makes perfect & nobody is perfect. So, practice being nobody.
although I don't think what you said in that thread was out of line, I can see how it got under his skin. If one knew you and your shop, they could probably figure out who that person was. That would make the comments even more personal and embarrassing.
These are public forums. All the whining and complaint threads are getting old. People in the real world have gotten fired over tweets and Facebook posts. This is no different. People in the real world have been bullied by social media and committed suicide. I believe there was even an incident here of that depending on your view. For people who are of the age that should know better, how come you guys don't know better?
Coming from a Forum Rookie.. nuff said... youall no like... move on
keets expresses an opinion .. no discussion from rather dumb coin show rep.. Is this what America has become ?
Get a form letter initiating a lawsuit for discrimination..pick one...weight, gender, religious, or whatever.
Ask for written reasons for the banishment.
That sux.
Gutless.
I'd show up anyway.
Make him tell you face to face.
My thoughts exactly. If he couldn't tell you in person or at least personally over the phone then he is a coward in my book.
You mentioned that this was a club show. Did the club's members take a vote and ban you? Probably not.
maybe not, but maybe.
The underlying theme to the original post was your assertion that the Show Chairman was collecting additional funds over a period of time to provide for a security guard at future shows. Over an extended period of time your shop (and others) paid the additional sum but never saw the security guard.
That's a valid point.
His panties might be in a bunch because you aired the question in a public way but his failure to provided the security as promised is what caused it to be a topic.
If I were you I'd stay away from a show I'm not invited to but I'd have a vested interest in continuing to question (publicly) where's the damn security? While it's true that hosting such an event is a thankless job, charging a fee for something you fail to deliver is on you, the Chairman.
Don't put yourself in that situation.
I agree with this.
Agent Jim's story reminds me of my first coin show I attended at age 10, in a reverse sort of way. At the door, the coin club members were giving out reproductions of a Confederate half dollar struck in brass. They were tokens struck for the local club. Not everyone got one, but any smiling 10 year old YN who walked through the door was given one. My uncle saw it in my paper bag of show purchases later on, and he thought I stole it. "What's that!?" he exclaimed, as he snatched it out of my hand. I got the feeling that he never really believed I got it at the door as a gift. There's no worse feeling than being accused of dishonesty when you're flying right.
I generally get the drift if they see me as too much of a boy scout, scowl, etc., I choose not to darken their door....
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Edit: family friendly
I really had no desire to, as I was there just doing our normal "show and tell" so I was completely unprepared to answer. Knowing that the Dealer was a nickel guy my first thought was well, I guess you stepped in it now........................but before my lips could talk I looked up at the shop proprietor who was giving me that look I get from my wife...............a lot.
When I finally formed the words "no, but thanks" the awkwardness of the situation just filled the room.
Moral to the story, in a shop, all purchases and sales should go through the proprietor. After all, he's paying rent and you're the guest. Similarly, at a show it's expected that the Dealers paying for tables should be doing the buying and the selling. It's possible that a Dealer may turn down an offer and a random person or another Dealer may overhear the offer and step in but it's bad form to conduct business on the show floor. Take it to the hallway or elsewhere just as a professional courtesy.
I would caution Dealers however, there are times where coin conversations can commence in the proximity of the show floor that result in a sale or trade. There are many ways to handle such an indiscretion. Having the parties booted out is one extreme that's completely unnecessary.
Perhaps they can ban you from being a dealer but you should be able to attend as a private person right?
I collect errors and asked him if he had any, he opened the safe and pulled one out, and I examined it briefly then handed it back. A few moments later I received a phone call. It was my boss so I excused myself and stepped a few feet away from the counter and talked quietly for about a minute or so. Then I hear the sound of the door buzzer and look up to see him gesturing at the door for me to leave. Maybe I spooked him?
I wasn't actually "banned" but it was kind of off-putting so I never went back.
Moral to the story, in a shop, all purchases and sales should go through the proprietor.
not to derail the thread and while this is shop etiquette 101 territory, i visited a shop for the first time recently, whom i officially met recently elsewhere, that permitted this behavior my first time in, nearly insisting it was ok and the respect he got from me is immeasurable. i did not do it out of respect to my first visit. another person was there, of upmost classiness that im on great terms with. i was shown some stuff generously that some dealers may never handle in their entire careers. no lie.
most get too caught up in these things and so long as people are acting rationally and have the ok, simple things like these should not pose a problem, especially for regulars.
then again, i see things differently than most, for better or worse.
there is a lot more to say but the classiness and generosity of said proprietor should be the emphasis of my post.
i fully intend to work my butt off to do big transactions with this person.
some would lose my loyalty and respect over a few hundred bucks and not see the bigger picture. do good unto others...
the day was nearly a loss because i missed a turn and lost a couple hours going the wrong direction 1 hour one way, then another backtracking. probably my worst navigation error ever. divine inspiration told me to stay true despite me wanting to give up and wait for another day and the trip was a success beyond my imagination. only had a little time left, given all that transpired. but the die is cast...
they also didnt leave, waiting on me, even though i stated it would be fine as i needed to learn the route anyway and being a fri evening, would have understood completely.
ok, enough of my off-topic post.
thanks for your understanding keets and readers.
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... plus you called him a "piece of crap" and a "thief" in an open forum of his business peers. You're lucky he isn't suing you for libel for the thief comment. Just sayin' ...
I've never been banned from a coin show. But, I have placed plenty of dealers and shows on my never to attend again list.
I like Keets but he went too far. At that show there can be only one Highlander and that ain't you
mark
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
My wife and I just took over the Round Rock, TX coin show, and we've been made aware of 2 people who are banned. One did not have a table and was intercepting people outside the show and making offers on the coins they were bringing to sell. Another butted into a deal that was taking place at a dealer table and offered to pay more than the dealer was offering.
If I rent a venue for a coin show, it is no longer a public location while it is contracted to me. In my area, I call 911 and request a "no trespass" be filed on the person and it is good for one year every time I hold a show in that location. (I've done this twice.)
In fact, you can be banned from any public locations if you cause problems.