1908 Indian Head Cent - Guess The Grade (GTG)

oih82w8

I picked up a nice Indian Head Cent for my (MS) 20th Century Type Set and wanted to see what the CU Members had to say about her in comparison to our host. Would you consider this RB or BN?











Thank you for your interest and comments!

garrynot

It has a nice look to it.

I will guess 65RB. Every once in a while you see coins that you would think are RB but end up BN for some reason.

ricko

From the pictures, BN.... in hand or better lighting... could easily be RB... Cheers, RickO

golden

Originally posted by: ricko
From the pictures, BN.... in hand or better lighting... could easily be RB... Cheers, RickO

Bigbuck1975

65 BN

291fifth

Brown by current standards. 30 years ago a coin with that look may have been called Red-Brown.

BG

I'm in the BN camp.

TomB

I like the coin very much. It appears to have mellowed quite evenly on each side and from side-to-side and that the coin likely sparkles in the light. The appearance looks to be what I would call a BN, but there may be some issues with inadequate lighting that could affect what it looks like in-hand. The only negative that I can see is the discoloration (spot) at 8:00 o'clock near the reverse rim.

lkeigwin

MS65BN. Nice coin!

Lance.

Elcontador

Originally posted by: 291fifth

Brown by current standards. 30 years ago a coin with that look may have been called Red-Brown.

This. You need at least 20% RD these days to get a RB designation. It's easier to make this distinction on Large and Half Cents than IHCs. Would like Rick Snow to chime in on the discussion. I could see the coin in a 65 BN holder, because the cheek is very clean and I don't see contact marks on the devices.

oih82w8

March 1, 2010



"The definition of a Red Brown copper coin is a coin that contains from 5% to 95% Red surfaces. A lot of coins fall into this category and many coins may actually contain more Red than Brown surfaces. The hidden gems are the coins that display about 90 to 95% Red surfaces but are described as Red Brown surfaces, having just missed the full Red color designation."





http://www.pcgs.com/News/Price...ed-Brown-And-Red-Coins







...unless the guidelines have changed again.

asheland

63BN

TopographicOceans

64RB

BryceM

Put me in for 64BN

OldIndianNutKase

65BN I don't discern any major issues from the pictures.

OINK

DIMEMAN

I know the grade and color...so I won't guess. But want to say it is a beautiful IHC...just like I like them!

johnny9434

ms 64 bn, jmo

jedm

I like it as a 64 RB

DollarAfterDollar

MS 64+ R/B

Elcontador

Originally posted by: oih82w8

March 1, 2010



"The definition of a Red Brown copper coin is a coin that contains from 5% to 95% Red surfaces. A lot of coins fall into this category and many coins may actually contain more Red than Brown surfaces. The hidden gems are the coins that display about 90 to 95% Red surfaces but are described as Red Brown surfaces, having just missed the full Red color designation."





http://www.pcgs.com/News/Price...ed-Brown-And-Red-Coins







...unless the guidelines have changed again.

The above hasn't been in practice for 20 years plus pertaining to Large and Half Cents. I imagine IHCs are treated similarly. I remember a Large Cent labeled BN which had 15% RD that I bought in 1997.

DMWJR

64rb

lkeigwin

TPG's call on copper color can be infuriating. Here are a couple of RB's.

Lance.

tradedollarnut

65BN

jcping

64RB

mannie gray

I would grade it 65BN.

oih82w8

It seems that the forum is in concurrence with our host on MS65BN...







It looks more than 5% Red to me and the seller (David Kahn Rare Coins), but...she's a beauty!

oih82w8

Did anyone notice the MPD?

LanceNewmanOCC

Originally posted by: oih82w8

Did anyone notice the MPD?

8 in dentils?

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oih82w8

Not my image (David Kahn), but I noticed it after the purchase. I sent it along with a few others to our host for reholder, attribution and TrueView.

MICHAELDIXON

64BN Not enough red to make RB and the reverse spot keeps it from grading higher.

oih82w8

Originally posted by: Realone

Originally posted by: LanceNewmanOCC

Originally posted by: oih82w8

Did anyone notice the MPD?

8 in dentils?

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While your photo is good and better than anything I could take it isn't a photo to pick up the top of the 8 which I believe i might see but then I believe I also see a top of the 9 to the left right below the 9 in the date. But if you never mentioned the 8 I would never have noticed. Again I am not really sure I see the top of the 8, but when I look at the 8 in the date and look right below it I believe I MAY see something but it also looks like a normal denticle too, a clearer better lighted and larger photo would be best in which to note it imo. It could be there, you have it in hand but I feel like I am flying blind.

The mushy denticles below the date really don't help do they? In a few weeks we shall hear from our host and see from Phil and company.

oih82w8

I noticed that my Variety Attribution was correct MPD FS-301 S-4 (011.77)...the jury is still out on the RB designation...and no TruViews yet.