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Super shiney 184 year old silver coin
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PCGS AU-58
Even though it lightly circulated, it retained its original skin for almost 2 centuries. Amazing.
Even though it lightly circulated, it retained its original skin for almost 2 centuries. Amazing.
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Just my thought and no bean
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I guess my point is why is this straight graded instead of AU details - 92 Cleaned?
This coin has obliviously been cleaned from a dip (or over dip) but because there is no "damage" from it, it gets a straight grade.
I've had coins come back Cleaned that have a more original look than blast white overdipped coins like this.
I guess the rule is if you don't like the look of the coin as an individual then don't buy it, but when an obvious super cleaned coin is holdered without the 92 designation it just makes you wonder.
PCGS's definition is:
Cleaned
Surface damage due to any form of abrasive cleaning. "Cleaned" covers a wide range or appearances, from a grossly polished coin to one where faint hairlines can be seen only at a particular angle or in only one area on an otherwise perfectly normal coin. This is perhaps the most frustrating of all the No Grades, because subtle cleaning is often difficult to detect in less-than-optimal grading conditions. "Dipping" (the removal of toning with a chemical bath) is not considered cleaning under this definition.
Looks to me like an overdipped au55.
Just my thought and no bean
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Looks like the pendulum is sweeping back hard the other way (ie any dip is too much dip). I had the pleasure of viewing a 98% white 1820's PCGS MS64 bust half back in 2008 that was crusty as could be. It didn't make sense to me. But there it was, blazing white and looking like it came off the dies the day before....just like an 1881-s Morgan out of a fresh bag. It did not look dipped. The only toning on that coin was a 2% rainbow blush on one edge of the rim from around 4-6 o'clock. Had the coin not had a bunch of obverse ticks, I'd have bought it for the 50% premium being asked. The only blast white bustie I can ever recall seeing that I felt could be 100% original skin and still looking fresh.
If it was, then 90% of older 'white' coins would be body bagged.
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Dipping is NOT cleaning.
If it was, then 90% of older 'white' coins would be body bagged.
Dipping is NOT cleaning.
If it was, then 90% of older 'white' coins would be body bagged.
They SHOULD be body bagged. As the coin market contracts over the coming years coins which are "market acceptable" today, such as many dipped coins, will become market unacceptable.
BTW by the looks of the third photo of the coin and the slab, I think that it is going to tone again, maybe not that far into the future if it was not properly rinsed after the dip.
The masses like white shiny coins and the op's coin is a prime example of a coin that has been conserved in a non destructive manner. Dipping is not always a bad thing.
While the coin has zero appeal to me the coin in question has a demand in the marketplace.
BTW by the looks of the third photo of the coin and the slab, I think that it is going to tone again, maybe not that far into the future if it was not properly rinsed after the dip.
yup, i agree.
Whatever it was (this) time removed 185 years of patina but preserved enough luster to allow for a straight grade. This coin now has an un-natural youthful look. I think that's the obvious issue.
And it will be priced by the grade it got not it's looks.
Sadly many will look at a price sheet and think the coin in question with the striped off surface and dip residue at the date from improper rinse is the same as a nice toned coin in the same grade and service. Its been said buy the coin not the holder , this coin is the poster boy for that.
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Too shiny for me. A 184 year old coin should somewhat look its age with at least some toning. Looks like it was dipped yesterday.
What about a 160 year old coin? A lot of seated Philly half dimes to halves were hoarded and came to the market blast white over the past few decades. Those were original blast white coins (ie choice/gem 1857 and 1858 quarters come readily to mind). So why not a 185 year old coin? Isn't it possible?
Too shiny for me. A 184 year old coin should somewhat look its age with at least some toning. Looks like it was dipped yesterday.
What about a 160 year old coin? A lot of seated Philly half dimes to halves were hoarded and came to the market blast white over the past few decades. Those were original blast white coins (ie choice/gem 1857 and 1858 quarters come readily to mind). So why not a 185 year old coin? Isn't it possible?
If stored properly----yes, it is possible.
I don't care if a coin is white just as long as the luster is still booming.
And not all toned coins are attractive, anyway, as some are just plain ugly.
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Too shiny for me. A 184 year old coin should somewhat look its age with at least some toning. Looks like it was dipped yesterday.
What about a 160 year old coin? A lot of seated Philly half dimes to halves were hoarded and came to the market blast white over the past few decades. Those were original blast white coins (ie choice/gem 1857 and 1858 quarters come readily to mind). So why not a 185 year old coin? Isn't it possible?
If stored properly----yes, it is possible.
I don't care if a coin is white just as long as the luster is still booming.
And not all toned coins are attractive, anyway, as some are just plain ugly.
Back to my comment... For a 184 year old coin, I'd like to see a light amount of toning, not much, just a little.