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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmmmmmm, original skin,,,,,nah don't think so....pretty shiny though.



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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's basically problem free



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  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And he's asking the same money for his POS '77-S. Whaddaya wadin fer ?

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  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,384 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How can you tell? The photo is not natural....
  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    This coin is very similiar to many fake Japanese dragon dollars made in mid-90s. It was early stage of fake making and these guys polished fake dies too much so that surface looks proof like. Sad ...... image indeed, this kind of fake coins fooled a lot of experts 20 years ago.
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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This dollar is a counterfeit??? REALLY?



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  • MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've seen a few struck like that, all were proof.
  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,546 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In reading the fine details, I so no reason to be concerned. image



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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Looks more like a funky picture to me. My personal rule applies. Dude has newly graded coins listed, why wouldn't he have this one graded? Also, many of his newly graded coins have problems.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks either to be a proof...or as others have suggested, a fake.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would deem it counterfeit... rims, area around obverse stars at 4 o'clock... other points.. Cheers, RickO
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: ricko
    I would deem it counterfeit... rims, area around obverse stars at 4 o'clock... other points.. Cheers, RickO


    If that's a counterfeit, I will stop collecting trade dollars

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is a slightly above average strike for the date

    image
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  • MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sold this coin earlier this year. The stars were nearly full, above average for the date:



    image



    The OP linked coin sure looks like a proof, no?
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some of his photos look like GreatSouthernCoin.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,159 ✭✭✭✭✭
    thats one coin im staying away from. somethings there thats not settling right.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,552 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A comment and thread like this makes me suspicious. As if everything isn't suspect, already. image

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Possibly a Proof covered with old lacquer?
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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why not buy it and have a look. Returns accepted.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Certainly strikes me as a proof from the pictures.
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CaptHenway

    Possibly a Proof covered with old lacquer?




    Nah, I do not agree that it is a proof. Nice BS but not a Proof strike. Position of date to motto is wrong for the proof unless there was more than one obverse die used.



    Lacquer, maybe and I have no experience with lacquered coins of this age.



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  • CoinflipCoinflip Posts: 845 ✭✭✭
    its funny that with all the returns this seller gets, he has to mention the return policy so thoroughly in his description...hah!
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  • MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin looks hammered unlike any 77p I've seen. The dished out look around the stars and date also had me thinking proof, but maybe a product of the bad pictures?



    But unless this was struck using a different obverse die than all the proof coins pictured in the Coinfacts database, I don't think it's a proof. If you look at the stems connecting the leaves and berries on the olive branch, the branch sections that have been polished away vs. the ones that remain don't match the proofs. On the other hand, it looks to match the darker toned but well struck example I posted above.



    This leads me to think there was just a batch of 77p trade dollars that were well struck. If so, they are certainly the minority.
  • MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TDN, also interesting that your well struck MS66 appears to match the dies used to strike proof coins. I bet the surfaces on that coin are mirrored.
  • CoinZipCoinZip Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭
    One possible explanation is the image was created using EDOF - Extended Depth of Field

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  • SomeGuyFromMichiganSomeGuyFromMichigan Posts: 377 ✭✭✭
    It maybe a circulated proof.
    It also isn't from the same reverse die.
    Trade Dollar Nut's lovely coin.

    image

    Ebay coin

    image

    Just my thought
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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm confused. Is the coin in the OP fake?

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  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Too sharp for a business strike.

    Yes, maybe a mishandled proof?

    Need to examine in person to be sure.
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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,552 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It went unsold ... And it's re-listed at a lower BIN. Reminding me that with pricing : " You can always come down"

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Link?
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  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: tradedollarnut

    Link?


    Relisted





    Edit: All I can think of is that it looks like it's been meticulously finely tooled. Dunno.

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  • AMRCAMRC Posts: 4,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Worth buying just to take a look in hand.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's not the same coin
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  • SomeGuyFromMichiganSomeGuyFromMichigan Posts: 377 ✭✭✭
    It's description: 1877 S US TRADE DOLLAR AU
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,552 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: tradedollarnut
    That's not the same coin


    image My bad, you're so right. Not even close to the same coin. Just the same style of listing. Disregard my last post.

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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Is it real or not?


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  • MilkmanDanMilkmanDan Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like an impaired proof.
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's my MS62 for comparison.................CAC approved.



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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: tradedollarnut

    An 1877 trade dollar struck like this






    Anyone care to guess what PCGS graded it as? I bought it and sent it in.
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PR58
    Early Dollar Set
  • sparky64sparky64 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Wabbit2313



    Looks more like a funky picture to me. My personal rule applies. Dude has newly graded coins listed, why wouldn't he have this one graded? Also, many of his newly graded coins have problems.


    (Personal) Rules were made to be broken. image

    Just poking at you Wabbit.

    I hope you did well and can't wait to see the results.



    I'd go with PR58 as well.





    Edited for spelling.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 62 posted by goldbully sure has nice full stars and pretty toning to boot.
  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: sparky64

    Originally posted by: Wabbit2313



    Looks more like a funky picture to me. My personal rule applies. Dude has newly graded coins listed, why wouldn't he have this one graded? Also, many of his newly graded coins have problems.


    (Personal) Rules were made to be broken. image

    Just poking at you Wabbit.

    I hope you did well and can't wait to see the results.



    I'd go with PR58 as well.





    Edited for spelling.





    I broke my own rule after considering Bruce's not so subtle hinting that the coin might be more than a clunker.
  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    pr50

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  • JKTJKT Posts: 492 ✭✭✭
    PR61

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Details, cleaned.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    heck of a gtg from those ebay pics.



    i'll venture pf62, from the rims and strike.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe a proof like, altered/lasered surfaces, etc. Any reason why a proof coin would get a bag mark in the right reverse field? Doesn't look like a proof to me. It's missing detailing that even most unc trade dollars would have.



    I do not clean or alter coins. This is not to say a previous owner has not. I have submitted coins for certification, thinking they were gradable only to find out they were not. I have also submitted coins that I thought were not gradable only to find out they were....



    Which would strongly suggest this coin was sent in by the seller, or they knew what the results were from a previous submission.
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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm certainly not very knowledgeable regarding this series, but that has to be a proof, right? I have compared it to many available photos of MS66 and 65+ coins and it is too well struck along with the missing tabs on the eagle's wing(pics by "someguy" to be a business strike. Then that is just my opinion. Thanks TDN for the post. Interesting, to say the least, and best of luck Wabbit.

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