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coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
Seems there are some significant philosophical things to think about before and during the time one assembles a collection. Realistic expectations help. And that does not mean that one needs to abandon their expectations or standards. Instead, think about whether the series you have an interest in can be assembled that will be satisfying. That obviously can cover a broad spectrum in terms of the state of preservation. Seeking quality for the grade is paramount. Depending on what you choose to collect, that is often easier said than done. So make decisions understanding the consequences.

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,722 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS Walkers are a monumental undertaking.



    They keep me very busy.



    But I have the commitment to finish.



    Certainly not a series to be just thrown together overnight.



    It takes many years and plenty of cash.



    It is a labor of love for me and I am proud of what I've done so far.



    I have gotten a lot of enjoyment and education along the way.



    They press my limits (in a good way), as I like to be challenged.



    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 6,913 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No rules in this hobby, just opinions. Collect what you want, how you want.

    WS
    Proud recipient of the coveted PCGS Forum "You Suck" Award Thursday July 19, 2007 11:33 PM and December 30th, 2011 at 8:50 PM.
  • TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    The most important thing to consider is your budget and not overspending.

    Collecting is a fun hobby with a lot of different aspects that require knowledge and skill.

    I think the most overlooked aspect is money management.
    Rarity and quality cost money.

    Even if you have a high paying job, or had a windfall inheritance or capital gains your retirement funding has to be your number one concern.

    Get the kids educated, get debt free, and have your retirement funded.
    Until then, don't spend thousands of dollars on coins you can't afford
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've adopted a sorta different philosophy since becoming a retired geezer.

    I now don't care about "sets" and the coins I buy I regard as amusement for pleasure of the piece.

    Stand alone satisfaction without the pressure to "complete" anything.

  • JJSingletonJJSingleton Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: topstuf

    I've adopted a sorta different philosophy since becoming a retired geezer.

    I now don't care about "sets" and the coins I buy I regard as amusement for pleasure of the piece.

    Stand alone satisfaction without the pressure to "complete" anything.

    This is a perfect description of my philosophy. I was recently asked by a Southern Gold dealer what was on my want list. My answer was simply "any great original Dahlonega piece at any grade". To my surprise he really didn't get it. He said well aren't you trying to put together a set? I have no interest in completing any date or denomination set. I just want to look at each coin and smile.



    Joseph J. Singleton - First Superintendent of the U.S. Branch Mint in Dahlonega Georgia

    Findley Ridge Collection
    About Findley Ridge

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: JJSingleton

    Originally posted by: topstuf

    I've adopted a sorta different philosophy since becoming a retired geezer.

    I now don't care about "sets" and the coins I buy I regard as amusement for pleasure of the piece.

    Stand alone satisfaction without the pressure to "complete" anything.

    This is a perfect description of my philosophy. I was recently asked by a Southern Gold dealer what was on my want list. My answer was simply "any great original Dahlonega piece at any grade". To my surprise he really didn't get it. He said well aren't you trying to put together a set? I have no interest in completing any date or denomination set. I just want to look at each coin and smile.







    I completely agree JJ!
  • gsa1fangsa1fan Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    I enjoy my coins for what I see them as a link to past. The way they were made. Craftsman & artist coming together. If I wanna park $$ I'll buy gold bullion.

    I'm 54 I get tired of everyone worrying about staying alive and NOT Living while they are Alive!

    When I'm dead I have no control! LOLimage Live people live!!!
    Avid collector of GSA's.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My philosophy mirrors that of topstuff and JJSingleton.... I enjoy my coins, collect what I like and do not worry about sets, series, varieties, slabs, labels, stickers etc.. Coins are fun. Cheers, RickO
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oops... forgot about my Seated Dollar ....SET.



    the "cameo effect" part of the set:

    image



    And the first of all CC dollars with neat circ crud:

    image





    Set done. (unless another in the series "catches" me and makes me expand)

    heh

    image
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,570 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Geekdom starts here.
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TwoSides2aCoin

    Geekdom starts here.




    Lead on, my captain. image
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I now don't care about "sets" and the coins I buy I regard as amusement for pleasure of the piece.
    Stand alone satisfaction without the pressure to "complete" anything.



    Building a set may put you under some pressure. But to a vastly greater extent, it frees you from the "need" to buy many other things.

    In other words, if you buy every coin that makes you smile, you're either not trying very hard, or your money won't last long.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • ranshdowranshdow Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: TopographicOceans
    The most important thing to consider is your budget and not overspending.


    There are a few aspects to this.

    Even if you *can* afford coins in the thousands of dollars, there is still a tendency to look at a coin or a collection and mainly see the dollar signs representing the money you've got locked into it & them. This in and of itself can be sufficient motivation to sell coins from time to time. What's the point of buying a coin or building a collection if you can't mentally handle the lockup of the funds?

    I think there's an argument to be made for collecting coins at a price point where any single coin doesn't matter much to you financially. Possibly even the collection as a whole. I see the money sink aspect of collecting working against many collectors, myself included at times.

    Again, I think this is distinct from the overall question of affordability.

  • mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If one tries to complete a set that is difficult or where "originality" requires a good deal of patience, I find it helps to have a few "cheap" sets that you work on at the same time. For example, if you collect original 19th century gold, work on a circulated buffalo nickel set or a foreign coin set on the side. For me, this prevents me from settling for less-than-desirable coins when I haven't bought anything in a long time. Helps at shows, too, as most of the local shows I go to can be scanned for my primary collecting interest in about 20 minutes... afterward, I look for secondary interests or run my kids through the scavenger hunt.
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i expect everything to be perfect all the time. please tell how i am being unreasonable...then i can explain it to my wife and kids also.
  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    For me it is important to have different sets and different collections. Not only does it give me more "action" so to speak but lets me be more choosy about what I buy since I have more options that fit within my goals
  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Collectors often expect others will see their coins as they do, especially at sale time. Usually, that's unrealistic. A wealth of wisdom is contained in the expression "Ownership adds a point."
  • gsa1fangsa1fan Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: steveben
    i expect everything to be perfect all the time. please tell how i am being unreasonable...then i can explain it to my wife and kids also.


    This is the reason I'm still single @54 is what they tell me!image

    That and Barbie dolls want Ken dolls not Mr Magoos!image

    Avid collector of GSA's.
  • JJSingletonJJSingleton Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MrEureka

    Building a set may put you under some pressure. But to a vastly greater extent, it frees you from the "need" to buy many other things.



    In other words, if you buy every coin that makes you smile, you're either not trying very hard, or your money won't last long.
    Andy, where you have this wrong is that in my world I have no "needs". Nor do I have to purchase every desirable coin that makes me smile. But if the feeling comes over me I can joyfully pull the trigger knowing that I can smile forever.

    Joseph J. Singleton - First Superintendent of the U.S. Branch Mint in Dahlonega Georgia

    Findley Ridge Collection
    About Findley Ridge

  • YorkshiremanYorkshireman Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: JJSingleton

    Originally posted by: topstuf

    I've adopted a sorta different philosophy since becoming a retired geezer.

    I now don't care about "sets" and the coins I buy I regard as amusement for pleasure of the piece.

    Stand alone satisfaction without the pressure to "complete" anything.

    This is a perfect description of my philosophy. I was recently asked by a Southern Gold dealer what was on my want list. My answer was simply "any great original Dahlonega piece at any grade". To my surprise he really didn't get it. He said well aren't you trying to put together a set? I have no interest in completing any date or denomination set. I just want to look at each coin and smile.







    JJS,

    Those are wise words! I love both No Motto gold and 19th century halves (bust and seated Liberty). I would rather have some super nice pieces from each series than a piece that does not make me smile every time I hold it. If that doesn't seem like a valuable undertaking to a dealer, then that my passion (and my business) are both probably lost to him.
    Yorkshireman,Obsessed collector of round, metallic pieces of history.Hunting for Latin American colonial portraits plus cool US & British coins.
  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: WaterSport
    No rules in this hobby, just opinions. Collect what you want, how you want.

    WS
    Yes ... no rules. Only one guiding principle ... have fun.

    Numismatist Ordinaire
    See http://www.doubledimes.com for a free online reference for US twenty-cent pieces
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MrEureka
    I now don't care about "sets" and the coins I buy I regard as amusement for pleasure of the piece.
    Stand alone satisfaction without the pressure to "complete" anything.



    Building a set may put you under some pressure. But to a vastly greater extent, it frees you from the "need" to buy many other things.





    I agree with this theory.




    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MrEureka
    I now don't care about "sets" and the coins I buy I regard as amusement for pleasure of the piece.
    Stand alone satisfaction without the pressure to "complete" anything.



    Building a set may put you under some pressure. But to a vastly greater extent, it frees you from the "need" to buy many other things.





    I agree with this theory.




    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We have the benefit of hindsight in collecting. And that seems to create issues at several levels which should remain in our thoughts. We need to appreciate that not all coins within the same series were created equal. Not even those coins struck at the same mint can be considered equal given life expectancies of dies and when the coins were struck within the production cycle. The hindsight we have often may not consider the times, the technology and the overall limitations that were part of coinage whether it be mid nineteenth century New Orleans or the Royal Mint during the reign of George II. We should not lose site of the fact that coins (with exception of proofs or specimens) were struck for the purpose of commerce and promoting economic development, trade and all that is associated civilization moving forward.

    If we take a moment and reflect back on how things were at various times and how the world is today, maybe we can have a greater appreciation for the coins that have survived as well as their state of preservation. Part of that story for a coin is its state of preservation. It is defined by how it was used and when it may have been retired from circulation or even if it ever entered circulation as intended. The other part of the story for a coin is how it left the mint. Surely, there is no dispute that before leaving it would be MS. But the quality really may not have been all there given the strike and where it was within the production run in terms of the die life expectancy.

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: MrEureka
    I now don't care about "sets" and the coins I buy I regard as amusement for pleasure of the piece.
    Stand alone satisfaction without the pressure to "complete" anything.


    Building a set may put you under some pressure. But to a vastly greater extent, it frees you from the "need" to buy many other things.

    In other words, if you buy every coin that makes you smile, you're either not trying very hard, or your money won't last long.


    Building a set can have benefits, but you can achieve many of those benefits, including focus, without building a traditional set. For example, the Box of 20 concept isn't a set in the traditional sense but builds on focus and what makes you smile while achieving some of the benefits of sets such as "more wood behind fewer arrows" without being locked into someone else's definition of what to collect.

    Of course, not working on a traditional, well defined, set, can mean that it's harder to compare and rank your set against others which comes with its own benefits such as the pre-defined albums (physical and online), a sense of accomplishment at completion and the feeling of winning in Registry rankings.

    I'd like to think most collectors have reasonable expectations. Unless someone is spending all their savings or depressed, my impression is that the hobby should be fun and thus within expectations.
  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't build a set of anything. I have about 3 series I specialize in and buy all the outstanding eye appeal examples I can afford.
    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.

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