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HK-302 Louisiana Purchase Expo Medal - Weak Strike or Wear?

MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭✭✭
This was a remnant from a group of exonumia that I purchased. Is it a weak strike error, or simply wear? I know what I think about it, but I thought this might be an interesting topic.

On a side note, this looks like the rarer, no-star variety.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,903 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm going with wear.
    First, the rims point me in that direction.
    Second, from personal experience, I've seen these (including the silver version) used as pocket good luck charms and worn down like this.

    peacockcoins

  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭
    Wear--pocket piece
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a die adjustment strike to me.
  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: dcarr
    Looks like a die adjustment strike to me.



    Agree. The wear is to irregular.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say wear... But I must respect Dan's input... Cheers, RickO
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    STRIKE! Coins do not wear in the middle like this while leaving outer detail strong. Unless someone rubbed the interior as a worry piece...NOT! LOL.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,636 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Both. Like peanut butter and chocolate.
  • CommemKingCommemKing Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wear, and I don't think it is all natural wear.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps it's a bit of both with the die adjustment theory carrying more weight. The medalet was weaking stuck from the beginning, but after that someone carried it around as a pocket piece where it got smooth, even wear.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Come on Guys...Of course it is BOTH. The coin is worn; however the MAJOR reason for loss of detail is due to strike! Oh, I forgot. This is only an opinion from a know-nothing novice as I do not wish to ruffle feathers...LOL.
  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is no wear on that piece. I'm 80% sure that it's a weak strike, 20% that it's struck through grease. Check the edges -- if rounded, then a weak strike, if sharply square, then struck through grease.

    Very cool!
  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A piece like this is very difficult to judge from photos (especially my poor, poor photos) I know. Further making this error difficult to correctly attribute is the toning. It is an uneven, dark brown and does not have the cleanest surfaces. With the benefit of seeing this one in hand, I can say that the anomaly is due to a weak strike - also known as a low pressure strike or die adjustment strike. And in hand, I do not see any signs of wear.

    As I used to focus my collecting on error coins, I can say that this medal simply appears to have the look of a genuine weak strike. However I know that isn't enough evidence for the true numismatists. I'll list a couple of the clues that led me to determine that it was a weak strike error.

    One of the first things that I noticed was that in some areas, the wording fades out as it nears the denticles. If this were due to wear, we would actually expect the opposite. The portion of the lettering near the denticles should be protected by the rim while the lower portion of the letters would be handled and worn.

    It's important to note that not all low pressure strikes will have the effect that this medal does because a strongly upset planchet can actually cause the opposite to occur.
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    At the top-right of Jefferson's head, there is a distinct boundary. This line represents partial die contact by the planchet. The far-right portion of Jefferson's head was formed by the die. To the left of this boundary, the design remained smooth and non-detailed because it did not come into contact with the surface of the die's recess in this area. A worn coin will not exhibit such a sharp boundary. Rather, it would be rounded or smooth.
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    Both the obverse and reverse show centralized weakness. During strike, the metal flows toward the recess in the obverse die, but when too little pressure is applied, the deepest recesses in the obverse and reverse die remain unfilled by the planchet's metal. Without much die flow, this cross section of the medal does not contain enough metal to strike up fully.
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    And as suggested, the edge of the medal is relatively rounded and retains its bevel. Unfortunately I was unable to take a good enough photo of the edge for your judgment.
  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: grip

    Originally posted by: dcarr

    Looks like a die adjustment strike to me.







    Agree. The wear is to irregular.





    Agree with two above statements.

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