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Grade vs Eye Appeal & my NEWP

dadamsdadams Posts: 376 ✭✭✭
Slowly, but surely, I've been working on U.S. Type and now have many of the modern coins covered in high grade. I've found, though, as I move back in time and especially beyond the 20th c. it is getting more difficult for me to maintain a grade standard I felt I needed/wanted when I first started collecting.



I've come to terms that not all my coins will be high grade and in actuality I believe this realization has benefited my collecting approach over the last couple years.



Discussion & comments on collecting by grade vs. eye appeal appreciated.



Here is my most recent NEWP by way of CRO.



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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like coins that grade high enough to view the coin as it was meant. However, there are high graded coins that don't have eye appeal.



    So, my style has become (on non-moderns), to go with the grade that is high enough to get what I want from the coin BUT to wait and get one with eye appeal.



    If everyone goes after a MS63, or greater, FH version of that coin, but they are generic in their look, then you (likely less expensive) circ grade will stand out and be more enjoyment and should be easy to sell if needed.



    I like the Ty1 of these.

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  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a beauty for sure!!
    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Uber high grade but terrible eye appeal!

    Wait a second...

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    I really like that CRO offers such a cool range of coins and prices; all eye appealing.





  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not my type on toning. I try not to keep the grade and eye appeal separated.
    I guess I should say my coin must have eye appeal regardless of grade.
  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your experience sounds very much like my own. I started with a 20th type set, mostly in high grades, but as I started working backwards, it was impossible to acquire similar coins without being a multi-millionaire. My early US type coins range from VG to VF ranges, and the Seated coins are mostly in the AU-low MS range.



    Honestly it doesn't matter and I'd take eye appeal over absolute grade every day of the week. The important thing is to have fun, and to obtain quality coins at appropriate prices. One great thing about collecting is that it's possible to do a type set on many different levels. As you know, appealing SLQs do not grow on trees, especially in circulated grades. This one is quite nice (maybe not everyone will agree) and I think it would be fun so see the rest of the collection.



    BTW, CRO is great to deal with and many of my favorite coins came from John.
  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,078 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I definitely believe that lower graded coins can have fabulous eye appeal.
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  • KccoinKccoin Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
    First off, Id say that your Slq is a nice type example; very fitting for a typpe set. It gives the feeling that at one point in time, another collector set this coin aside for whatever reason, and through this act, has given you a coin for your collection. In other words, a coin that makes you smile image nice pickup.



    It sounds like you are having fun collecting. At this point, do you have a grade standard in mind moving back into 19th century coins?
  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,837 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: BryceM
    Your experience sounds very much like my own. I started with a 20th type set, mostly in high grades, but as I started working backwards, it was impossible to acquire similar coins without being a multi-millionaire. My early US type coins range from VG to VF ranges, and the Seated coins are mostly in the AU-low MS range.

    Honestly it doesn't matter and I'd take eye appeal over absolute grade every day of the week. The important thing is to have fun, and to obtain quality coins at appropriate prices. One great thing about collecting is that it's possible to do a type set on many different levels. As you know, appealing SLQs do not grow on trees, especially in circulated grades. This one is quite nice (maybe not everyone will agree) and I think it would be fun so see the rest of the collection.

    BTW, CRO is great to deal with and many of my favorite coins came from John.


    I actually prefer the look of early bust and seated coins in VF. I don't know what it is but that is the sweet spot for me. Used in commerce but still able to see the details image

  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that is a nice example for the type.

    I, like hchcoin, actually prefer many coins in the VF-XF grades.

    Morgans are a series I really prefer circulated.



    I try to buy eye appealing coins no matter the grade.

  • TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree that there is quality down the grading scale.



    I don't like a slick round piece of metal, with just a hint of a design. That's going too far for me.



    That usually means Fine or better, depending on the coin. (Not that I can AFFORD that all of the time....finances is sometimes the greater advisor than grade).





    But I do find that eye-less portraits kind of creep me out. Capped Bust quarters tend to get that way below Fine.... image
    Easily distracted Type Collector
  • oldlinecoinsoldlinecoins Posts: 183 ✭✭✭
    Love the toning.



    Eye appeal is everything
  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭✭
    Cool, but did you get a free hat?image
    Derek

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,812 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Love it.
    Want it.
    I give it a VF35

    peacockcoins

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,597 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not really digging it...I am biased based upon my Type I.
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  • dadamsdadams Posts: 376 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: Bochiman

    I like coins that grade high enough to view the coin as it was meant. However, there are high graded coins that don't have eye appeal.


    Originally posted by: grip

    I guess I should say my coin must have eye appeal regardless of grade.




    Agreed.

    I actually need to reassess many of the coins I bought just a few years ago - quite a few high grade moderns, but lacking WOW. Live and learn.



    Originally posted by: BryceM

    Your experience sounds very much like my own. I started with a 20th type set, mostly in high grades, but as I started working backwards, it was impossible to acquire similar coins without being a multi-millionaire.




    It'd be nice to have loads of money, but then what fun would it really be if you could buy whatever you wanted?



    Originally posted by: BryceM

    . . . As you know, appealing SLQs do not grow on trees, especially in circulated grades. This one is quite nice (maybe not everyone will agree) and I think it would be fun so see the rest of the collection.




    I had been looking for an MS T1 SLQ, but none have "spoken" to me like this circ. example.

    I don't have everything imaged, and I stink at making good coin pics, but I'll see what I can drag together - I'm rolling up on that 100 post mark so keep an eye out.



    Here is a teaser:

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    Originally posted by: Kccoin

    It sounds like you are having fun collecting. At this point, do you have a grade standard in mind moving back into 19th century coins?




    I am having fun!

    I'm not going to hold myself to a set standard, but XF/AU grades are probably doable for me. Some VF coins are appealing to me as well. Details that I like in many series start getting lost at F and below.



    Originally posted by: hchcoin

    I actually prefer the look of early bust and seated coins in VF. I don't know what it is but that is the sweet spot for me. Used in commerce but still able to see the details image





    I've been looking at Bust Halves and the VF grades would be suitable to my tastes, but again I haven't found any to my liking yet -- most likely an XF or low AU is where I'll land. Anyone have an eye appealling VF35 - AU53 1836 Bust Half (Lettered Edge) to offer?



    Originally posted by: Moldnut

    Cool, but did you get a free hat?image


    No Hat, but I'll get John to make it up to me on my next purchase. Yes, I'm sure I'll buy again from CRO - John is super nice, the whole ordering process was easy peasy, and lots of eye candy to choose from.



    Originally posted by: oih82w8

    Not really digging it...I am biased based upon my Type I.


    Yep, as you know "Variety Is The Spice Of Life" -- and I already know Ricko won't care for it much either.





    In all seriousness -- thanks for all of you posting and sharing. I learn a lot here.

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  • dadamsdadams Posts: 376 ✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: braddick

    Love it.

    Want it.

    I give it a VF35




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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Eye appeal - much like art - is in the eye of the beholder..... What many here consider

    "appealing",...to my eye, is ugly..... that is what makes a horse race...differences of opinions.

    Cheers, RickO
  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Who are these CRO guys that everyone keeps posting about?
  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭
    To me eye appeal is first and numerical grade is second.





    Mike

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